"she talks in her sleep" makes no sense
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MrLuthor89 — 11 years ago(February 15, 2015 11:10 AM)
We do not know what Elsa said in her sleep to give her away
Exactly, so there's no argument for either side.
The line is meant to be informative and funny at the same time.
And everyone who "talks in there sleep" does it differently. Some people reflect on conversations they had earlier that day, others say things on their minds, and others just speak in word salad.
You're obsessing too much over a minor detail. Henry heard her say something that made him deduce her duplicity. Henry is ultra intelligent and made a proper deduction.
She could've gone over a conversation with Donovon or the Nazi Commander in German while she was asleep.
Either way, it's hilarious and not meant to be disected. -
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cameronjstewart — 11 years ago(March 05, 2015 08:35 PM)
I just watched this again today and this part made more sense to me than before.
The context of what is said is:
Jones Sr.: "I knew she wasn't to be trusted."
Jones Jr.: "How's that?"
Jones Sr.: "She talks in her sleep."
So it was more of Jones Sr. saying that he suspected Elsa as untrustworthy because of the mere fact of her talking in her sleep and coming across as shifty and mischievous -
Karl Aksel — 10 years ago(August 07, 2015 03:38 AM)
I just watched this again today and this part made more sense to me than before.
The context of what is said is:
Jones Sr.: "I knew she wasn't to be trusted."
Jones Jr.: "How's that?"
Jones Sr.: "She talks in her sleep."
So it was more of Jones Sr. saying that he suspected Elsa as untrustworthy because of the mere fact of her talking in her sleep and coming across as shifty and mischievous
Except that's not the dialogue. The actual dialogue was as follows:
Indy: "How did you know she was a nazi?"
Henry: "She talks in her sleep."
[Exchange of glances]
Henry: "I didn't trust her. Why did you?"
So, in other words, it wasn't that Henry deemed Elsa as
untrustworthy
because she talked in her sleep he never trusted her to begin with. But because of whatever she said in her sleep, he knew she was a nazi. -
Karl Aksel — 10 years ago(August 07, 2015 03:41 AM)
I always assumed it was a euphemism for her slipping up during/after sex.
How could her political/ideological affiliations possibly come up during or after sex?
"Yes! Spank my nazi ass!"
Or
"Mmmmm, you are much better than Colonel Vogel. Oh, schnap, did I say that out loud?"
Sorry, I just don't see it. -
Chris12955 — 9 years ago(May 01, 2016 02:25 PM)
According to the Wiki (and no I don't know what they are basing it off of) she said "mein fuhrer" in her sleep
Aaahhhh, Wikipedia, the most reliable source of written by anyone and their grandma information available. And no, Henry Jones Senior doesn't say that she said that in the film. -
arkayenether — 10 years ago(February 08, 2016 09:02 AM)
Also, nobody here seems to be putting into consideration the fact that she's Austrian, and this was during WWII, when people were probably extremely distrusting of anyone who was German or Austrian. If someone said "comrade" during their sleep during the Cold War, I bet you anything a paranoid American would have flipped over it.
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Karl Aksel — 10 years ago(March 20, 2016 01:22 PM)
Also, nobody here seems to be putting into consideration the fact that she's Austrian, and this was during WWII, when people were probably extremely distrusting of anyone who was German or Austrian. If someone said "comrade" during their sleep during the Cold War, I bet you anything a paranoid American would have flipped over it.
Except this was
before
the war. At the time of the events in the film, sometime mid-1938, Austria had only just been incorporated by Germany, but Hitler had not yet annexed the Sudetenland nor moved into Czechoslovakia. This was a time when many still hoped and believed there would be "peace for our time", to quote Neville Chamberlain. Also remember that Time Magazine made Hitler "Man of the Year" for 1938. There was still a great deal of admiration for Hitler abroad at this time, and although there was also great suspicion, there was precious little anti-German sentiment at this time. -
Robbmonster — 9 years ago(April 10, 2016 09:29 AM)
The point isn't what Elsa said, the point is Henry KNOWS she is a Nazi.
Beyond that, the TRUE point is that Henry knows Elsa is a Nazi, and tried to tell Indy, who doesn't listen to him and it almost costs both of them their lives.
It's not remotely about Elsa and Henry, it's entirely about Henry and Indy.
Never defend crap with 'It's just a movie'
http://www.youtube.com/user/BigGreenProds -
sandman81 — 9 years ago(May 10, 2016 07:23 PM)
You would be amazed how much people can say in their sleep, and not remember any of it. It's almost like you get into a hypnotic state, and will even answer questions with full honestly, then wake up the next morning with no memory of anything you said.
My theory, Henry was suspicious of her from the start, but she was also seducing him, which clouded his judgement. Then one night, she started saying something that indicated she was a Nazi, possibly "Mein Fuhrur". Then maybe he asked her point blank while she was talking in her sleep, and she confirmed, or maybe he used this knowledge to look for other proof, and found it. Realizing the danger he was in, he sent his Grail diary to Indy, but before he could get himself out of there, she had him abducted. -
roman_g — 9 years ago(June 08, 2016 01:55 PM)
I read the novels to all three movies. Those novels were written after the original scripts and they contain a LOT of dialoges and scenes that were cut out or even unfilmed.
In the book, Indy asks his father "What did she say in her sleep?" and he answers "Mein Fhrer" ("my fuehrer").