So let me get this straight…
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Karl Aksel — 10 years ago(August 07, 2015 04:48 AM)
Why would Donovan risk giving his arch nemesis (Jones) eternal life??
What if Indy did try the holy water out of the correct grail? He'd live forever! Donovan would be toast.
How would that make Donovan toast? It's not like Indy would then have super powers or anything. The eternal life implied by the grail was never more than an anti-agapic: supposedly "the gift of youth" (as Donovan describes it at one point), and never ageing. This doesn't mean that you can't be killed. And indeed, Donovan knows that one sip won't suffice: the one knight who made it out of the desert died of extreme old age, suggesting he had drunk from the cup but he did die. -
dmoney32 — 10 years ago(July 06, 2015 12:16 PM)
First, lets stop saying "live forever". You do not live forever after taking a sip from the cup. In order to really keep living, you have to actually stay in the temple and continually drink from the cup, like the knight did.
And yes I agree, it was very stupid of Donovan to take the first sip himself. He should've had Indy take a sip first and see what happens, or he could've told Elsa to drink from it first. -
TwoMushrooms — 10 years ago(September 11, 2015 04:39 AM)
A) See, nobody at that point, actually knew that the grails longevity effect wears off if you exit the temple. They believed drinking from the grail grants immortality, period. As such, Donovan did not want Indy to receive this gift.
B) As he saw the cup Elsa had chosen, Don instantly believed it to be the right one, because she was the expert, and because that cup was the most glorious and magnificent one. He didn't doubt at all he had the right one.
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degree7 — 10 years ago(September 12, 2015 09:55 PM)
Yeah, Donovan really wasn't that intelligent. He didn't even bother to look up what the grail looked like before he went after it. And he places his life entirely in the trust of Elsa. Seriously, there was only a 1/50 chance he would choose the right grail, and he just has her pick one willy nilly.
However, that said, there is at least one theory that could explain his rash want to throw his life away. Not only was he tempted by the promise of eternal life, but it almost seemed like he was being seduced by the supernatural aura of the golden, jewel-embedded goblet. Look at his face when he gazes on it and says "it's more beautiful than I could ever have imagined." It's as if he was being hypnotized into drinking from it, and was compelled into choosing poorly by his greed and vanity. After all, Satan thrives on deception and false promises.
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samhmd-7489 — 10 years ago(October 12, 2015 06:16 PM)
He was so caught up in what he thought was his ultimate victory that he let his pride and greed get the better of him.
Arrogant people thinking they can benefit from toying with Holy Artifacts is a recurring theme in this series. Belloq did the same thing when he thought he'd be able to fool the Ark into thinking he was a Jewish Holy Man reciting the Jewish Prayer to activate the Ark. -
twofacetoo — 10 years ago(February 13, 2016 03:04 PM)
First, Donovan is an arrogant beep and we all know it.
Second, if you're in a room with your worst enemy, are you going to let him have the ultimate thing that can keep him alive forever? beep no, YOU'LL take that, even on the off-chance you'll die. -
Karl Aksel — 10 years ago(March 28, 2016 01:25 PM)
First, Donovan is an arrogant beep and we all know it.
Second, if you're in a room with your worst enemy, are you going to let him have the ultimate thing that can keep him alive forever? beep no, YOU'LL take that, even on the off-chance you'll die.
Drinking from the grail won't make you immune to bullets, it simply means you won't die from old age. And they all knew as much. Remember the two knights who walked out of the desert? One of them died
in
the desert, and the other died from
extreme old age
, suggesting he had once drunk from the grail. But in order to live for ever, you have to keep drinking from it. So what harm could there possibly be, from Donovan's perspective, in letting Indy drink from the true grail? -
Karl Aksel — 10 years ago(March 30, 2016 01:01 PM)
Then why does Henry Sr not only have his bullet wound healed by the water of the grail, and then die later at what we can assume is a typical old age in the 40s / 50s of 60-70?
The grail can heal wounds. But just like a band-aid, it doesn't have any pro-active effects. Putting ice on your skin now isn't going to prevent a burn from hurting tomorrow. And him dying of old age in the '50s was a bit of a goof in Kingdom. They had to have an excuse for his father not being present, I guess (owing to Sean Connery turning down the part). -
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Karl Aksel — 10 years ago(March 31, 2016 12:13 AM)
It wasn't. He left the temple after his wound had been cleared. He was just a normal human being again.
Yet the knight who made it out of the desert died from "extreme old age", 150 years (plus an unspecified amount of time) after having found the grail. Of course, we don't know how much he drank from the grail before leaving the temple, but he didn't take the grail with him. -
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Karl Aksel — 10 years ago(March 31, 2016 09:18 AM)
Where is this 150 year old Knight mentioned?
In the scene where Donovan shows Indy the tablet.
Donovan: Let me tell you another "bedtime story," Doctor Jones. After the Grail was entrusted to Joseph of Arimathaea, it disappeared and was lost for a thousand years before it was found again by three Knights of the First Crusade. Three brothers, to be exact.
Indy: I've heard this one as well. Two of these brothers walked out of the desert one hundred and fifty years after having found the Grail and began the long journey back to France. But only one of them made it. And before dying of extreme old age, he supposedly imparted his tale to a to a Franciscan friar, I think.
So that's 150 years staying with the grail - well, let's say 149 and one year for trekking back. The first crusade lasted from 1096-1099, and if we say the brothers found the grail in 1099, that means the third brother returned to France in 1249.
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Robbmonster — 9 years ago(April 10, 2016 09:22 AM)
If you thought you were in the presence of one of the greatest artefacts in human history, we would see how your 'common sense' would hold up.
The dude was completely overwhelmed by his emotions, his greed being chief among them. When emotion takes over human beings - yourself included - common sense is the first thing that steps out to grab a cup of coffee.
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