South Africans and Racism
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torgouda — 17 years ago(June 01, 2008 09:52 AM)
I think you are shifting the focus a bit. It's wasn't about showing that white LA cops like black people, it was showing that the whites in power in South Africa didn't. Let's be honest, at the time the movie was made, the political climate in South Africa was not exactly friendly towards blacks.
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StuSenrab — 17 years ago(June 08, 2008 06:23 AM)
Are you saying that every white South African is a racist. It would it be fair if I must say every German is a Nazi, every white southerner in the United States is a member of the KKK.
Apartheid is a walk in the park compared to what other European settlers have done the moment they landed on the shores of the lands they colonized. I mean they committed mass genocide. Why do you think Native-Americans (red-indian/eskimo), Aborigines and Maoris are now the minorities in the USA, Canada, Australia and New Zealand.
The only difference between a white South African compared to white American, white Australian, white Britisher etc. is that white South Africans made apartheid a law, carved in stone. Although the Americans might no longer have it as a law, its still engraved in their minds.
I myself am a non-white South African, and Ive picked up more prejudice from overseas whites living or visiting in South Africa than the local (even afikaaner) whites.
I'm not shifting the focusthis movie is an attack on South Africans.
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torgouda — 17 years ago(June 17, 2008 08:21 PM)
Are you kidding me with this? No where in my post did I even insinuate that every white in South Africa was racist. My exact words,if you care to check again, were that whites in power at the time were. I'm not condemning, I'm stating. The political climate at the time was not friendly towards blacks. You being pissed about a movie doesn't change that fact. Apartheid in relation to the genocides of other countries has nothing to do with it, or with the movie. The argument "Yea well, maybe it's bad, but THIS was worse" is invalid and smacks of desperation. For the record, I am Native American, so yea, I know why we're the minority here.
And don't pretend to know what anyone else has in their minds. Is there racism in America? Absolutely. Is it still the 60s where there are no opportunities for people of color? Absolutely not. I won't even pretend to know all of the nuances of South African history. I don't know the climate you guys are living in, have lived in, or will lived in. Reading about it is no substitute for living that. I would never claim any different. Of course, you shouldn't be claiming any different in relation to my country, because quite frankly, you seem to have no idea.
This movie was not an attack on South Africans any more than "Red Heat" is an attack on Russians. If anything, it MIGHT be construed as an attack on apartheid, but that wouldn't be an attack on all of South Africa, because as you yourself pointed out, all South Africans are not racists, right?
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chris12345678 — 17 years ago(August 11, 2008 05:09 AM)
For American whites it's common sense really. According to US statistics a black man is 56 times more likely to commit a violent crime than a white man. So it takes 56 white men to commit as much crime as one black man. Since 1960s blacks have killed over 56,000 white people in racial murders, compared to about 3,000 of white on black murders. That's as many people as died in the Vietnam war. So don't be surprised that when US whites go to South Africa they eye all blacks as potential murderers, rapists, muggers or thieves. This view is slowly changing but it's up to the blacks to improve this image, not up to the whites who show only normal human reactions (which in medias is called "racism").
Now, what is happening in South Africa does not help either. SA cities are currently the most violent cities in the world. Since 1994 when ANC took over, over 500,000 (according to some sources 800,000) people have been murdered. The current murder rate is 56 a day, 147 rapes per day. Theft and other crimes - impossible to count. American cities such as Detroit, St Louis, or Washington, DC are as safe as granny's ole house compared to SA cities. Over 3,000 white farmers in SA have been butchered since 1994, including women and children, in over 6,000 attacks on farms. That's almost as many as the number of people killed by the apartheid during its 40 year rule (3,800), and those were not defenseless farmers. -
jeffoneonone — 16 years ago(November 18, 2009 09:53 AM)
"Now, what is happening in South Africa does not help either. SA cities are currently the most violent cities in the world. Since 1994 when ANC took over, over 500,000 (according to some sources 800,000) people have been murdered. The current murder rate is 56 a day, 147 rapes per day. Theft and other crimes - impossible to count. American cities such as Detroit, St Louis, or Washington, DC are as safe as granny's ole house compared to SA cities. Over 3,000 white farmers in SA have been butchered since 1994, including women and children, in over 6,000 attacks on farms. That's almost as many as the number of people killed by the apartheid during its 40 year rule (3,800), and those were not defenseless farmers."
Finally, someone tells the truth. I recently visited South Africa and let me tell you, any white resentment towards the blacks is well-earned.
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psdhart — 14 years ago(August 20, 2011 01:52 PM)
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ridgerunner72160-609-362419 — 9 years ago(October 28, 2016 09:50 AM)
You're absolutely right. Unfortunately, the media sweeps all of this under the rug while making heroes of murdering scum like Mandela. Don't expect the truth from the media, the entertainment industry or what I call the academic industry. They're all controlled by the left.
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fwsauerteig — 12 years ago(December 10, 2013 09:08 AM)
For American whites it's common sense really. According to US statistics a black man is 56 times more likely to commit a violent crime than a white man. So it takes 56 white men to commit as much crime as one black man. Since 1960s blacks have killed over 56,000 white people in racial murders, compared to about 3,000 of white on black murders. That's as many people as died in the Vietnam war. So don't be surprised that when US whites go to South Africa they eye all blacks as potential murderers, rapists, muggers or thieves. This view is slowly changing but it's up to the blacks to improve this image, not up to the whites who show only normal human reactions (which in medias is called "racism").
Now, what is happening in South Africa does not help either. SA cities are currently the most violent cities in the world. Since 1994 when ANC took over, over 500,000 (according to some sources 800,000) people have been murdered. The current murder rate is 56 a day, 147 rapes per day. Theft and other crimes - impossible to count. American cities such as Detroit, St Louis, or Washington, DC are as safe as granny's ole house compared to SA cities. Over 3,000 white farmers in SA have been butchered since 1994, including women and children, in over 6,000 attacks on farms. That's almost as many as the number of people killed by the apartheid during its 40 year rule (3,800), and those were not defenseless farmers.
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Toby_gibson002 — 17 years ago(June 11, 2008 12:04 AM)
I agree that a lot of if not most American movies are completely dumbed down and stupid. Occasionally though a gem comes up.
But people in general tend to be pretty stupid no matter where they are from, and stupid people demand stupid movies.
To the first poster on this thread- you complained about how this director portrayed South Africans but you failed to give him credit for portraying the CIA as Heroin traffickers in the first one. (Albeit he made the distinction of referring to the bad guys as "mercenaries".) Really sequels should be done away with (Road Warrior being one exception- but Thunderdome was complete rubbish). This movie pretty much sucked and South Africa should rest easy knowing they weren't cast in a dismal light in a movie that anyone with half a brain could take seriously. -
Dan2108 — 17 years ago(June 16, 2008 10:41 AM)
Honest question for you, StuSenrab, since you're from South Africa. I assume the movie was not released there in 1989. Did it hit movie theaters after 1994? Were official VHS tapes stopped from entering the country as well? If so, were bootlegs distributed under the radar before or after 1994?
I ask because I grew up in the 80's in a developing country with a military government that heavily censored movies, TV, books, etc. Bootlegs were the norm for every "cultural product" that the regime viewed as a threat.