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Archived from the IMDb Discussion Forums — The Little Mermaid
littlemermaid22 — 9 years ago(August 13, 2016 12:36 PM)
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I can't believe this film is not in the top 10 animated films. Cinderella really? No offense to Cinderella fans but I can't believe Cinderella made the list & not The Little Mermaid. The Little Mermaid should have been on there before Cinderella. I just don't think Cinderella is that good of a movie. There were other Disney movies such as Alice in Wonderland, Sleeping Beauty, & Lady & the Tramp that should have been on the list but were not included. -
TutuAnimationPrincess — 9 years ago(August 13, 2016 10:02 PM)
The AFI top ten is extremely mainstream and based more on historical significance than actual film quality. That said, The Little Mermaid would make far more sense on this list than The Lion King.
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weijaytan-2015 — 9 years ago(September 24, 2016 06:46 PM)
Yeah. The Lion King was meh to me really. I'll say, tragedy was never my favorite word. Now that we have Zootopia, it is a great new Disney film too. But the Little Mermaid will ALWAYS be my favorite from the Renaissance Era, we all have this film to thank when it comes to reigniting Disney, then came along Beauty and the Beast, The (ahem) Lion King, Aladdin, and Frozen. You know the rest.
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A-zone — 9 years ago(December 31, 2016 08:40 AM)
I think "The Lion King" is the best 2D animated Disney movie. I feel it deserves the spot it has on that list.
"Frozen" and "Moana" are the real overrated animated movies.
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TutuAnimationPrincess — 9 years ago(January 04, 2017 02:40 AM)
Before I back up my sentiment, let me go ahead and say that Frozen and Moana have nothing to do with this topic and are irrelevant to mention here.
Now then, making a top ten of animated films is quite a difficult task as animation is not a genre and therefore it's virtually impossible to encompass all of animated films in a tiny list. So to judge a list like this fairly, we have to get a degree of it's intentions. Film quality is highly unlikely given some of the inclusions and exclusions here, so that's off the table. Even if such were the case, The Lion King has always had difficulty standing up to objective criticism. The most likely attribute that is strongest on this list is historical significance. The Lion King fits that distinction the least of the films listed. It wouldn't exist if not for the successes of previous films and it doesn't do anything significant to differentiate from said predecessors. The Little Mermaid is the beginning of a new era in animation and therefore has far more significance in regards to it, hence why it makes far more sense for a list like this. Now even with it's inclusion, this list would still be flawed, but such is the difficulty of compiling an animated films list regardless of the criteria.
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Andthatismytwocents — 9 years ago(January 04, 2017 10:57 AM)
Could not have said it better myself
Also NO ANIMATED film would exist if not for Snow White
and yet it does not get much respect either
Yes Black Cauldron predates Little Mermaid and it failed with critics and the typical film goer at the time Where as Ariel did NOT fail
Also The Black Cauldron was based on a series of fantasy novels before the term would be coined 20 years later
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TutuAnimationPrincess — 9 years ago(January 10, 2017 09:54 PM)
I probably shouldn't have used the word overrated, I've edited my post accordingly so people will stop making a fuss over it. I still think my point stands though, as my above response to A-zone explains. Also, Frozen has nothing to do with this topic as it's not on the list in question nor should it be on such a list.
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Weber4278 — 9 years ago(August 14, 2016 12:23 AM)
I think Cinderella deserves to be on the list because like it or hate itthe film was a big hit when it came out, at a time when Disney desperately needed a hit and was in danger of completely going bankrupt, so I think it deserves its spot on the list.
But WHAT THE HECK are Shrek and Finding Nemo doing on their!?
Good films they may be but.how are they important enough to win a spot in the top 10 animated films of all time?
What about 'The Nightmare Before Christmas', it was the first feature length stop motion film, like 'Snow White' to Traditional Animation and 'Toy Story' to Computer Animation, Nightmares importance to its genre (stop motion) should have earned it a spot on the list.
Or what about 'Aladdin'I believe its the second highest grossing film of the Renissance era after 'The Lion King'. If popularity is important for the list, Aladdin is pretty big.
But as the film that started Disney's second golden age (Disney Renissance) I 100% agree that 'The Little Mermaid' should be on that list! -
TutuAnimationPrincess — 9 years ago(August 14, 2016 12:39 AM)
You are definitely correct, Cinderella was a make or break film for Disney at the time, it had to make money or else. I would like to respond on a couple other issues with your post though.
But WHAT THE HECK are Shrek and Finding Nemo doing on their!?
Love them or hate them but these are pretty much the two films that cemented CG as the dominant form of animation in America. Toy Story may have been first, but these two films were huge at the time of their release and dealt a huge blow to mainstream 2D animation that it hasn't recovered from to this day.
What about 'The Nightmare Before Christmas', it was the first feature length stop motion film
It's arguable what came first, but stop motion is at least as old as hand drawn animation. The oldest and second oldest surviving animated film is The Tale of the Fox from 1930. Since then, there has been quite a few full length stop motion films long before Nightmare Before Christmas was created. Sure, for the most part they weren't mainstream successes, but that shouldn't be the only thing determining a film's long term significance.
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Weber4278 — 9 years ago(August 14, 2016 12:46 AM)
I stand corrected then with regards to Nightmare being the 'first' , but I still think its importance to the genre of Stop Motion (regardless of how old it is) should earn it a spot on the list.
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Weber4278 — 9 years ago(August 14, 2016 04:50 AM)
You didn't offend me, everyone is entitled to their opinions, personally I don't think Shrek or Nemo should be on the list but that's just MY opinion.
These types of lists tend to be all very subjective anyway, ask ten people to make a similar list and they will all be a bit different. -
Andthatismytwocents — 9 years ago(August 14, 2016 07:31 AM)
Why???????
AFI like the Academy of Motion Pictures and 50% (at least)of Hollywood
ARE IDIOTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Second already covered in my first statement
Disney has a love/HATE relationship with this film
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ztmillers-2 — 9 years ago(August 19, 2016 03:53 PM)
Yeah, it's a sin, but very few seem to comprehend the significance of the film, even if it did save animation in the 80's just as much as Cinderella did in the 50's. I'd imagine it has something to do with being overshadowed by Beauty and the Beast all the time. Even in professional circles, animated films have a stigma for being only for children. It's hard to get behind Little Mermaid when Beauty and the Beast came out only two years later.
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littlemermaid22 — 9 years ago(August 20, 2016 01:51 AM)
So true! The Little Mermaid & Beauty & the Beast are my two favorite Disney movies but I agree The Little Mermaid tends to get overshadowed by Beauty & the Beast. I think there is a lot of Disney movies that get overshadowed such as Sleeping Beauty, Lady & the Tramp, & Alice in Wonderland & no offense if you like The Lion King but I think that movie is the reason why a lot of other great Disney movies get overshadowed. I personally think The Lion King is highly overrated.
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otness_e — 9 years ago(August 22, 2016 03:42 AM)
Agreed regarding The Little Mermaid, and maybe to some degree The Lion King being overrated. Can't exactly say the same regarding Beauty and the Beast, though. If anything, maybe not as overrated as The Lion King (even if it DID do its villain far better justice than BATB did), but Beauty and the Beast certainly was overrated due to there being quite a bit of problems with that movie.
Shame that AFI's top 10 animated movies excluded TLM, though. You'd think it would have earned a spot considering the role it played in revitalizing Disney.