Gil's abortion comment rubbed me the wrong way
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Kuato_and_George — 16 years ago(April 02, 2010 06:32 AM)
You're making the assumption that the writer is being preacy?
I'm assuming they are, you are assuming they aren't. What's the harm?
Personally I think you're being a little narrow minded and not considering that it wasn't being preachy. Its just that two characters have said something that you don't like and you're ready to jump to the hasty conclusion that the writer has had some kind of agenda.
And you're all upset that I said it. So what's the f-cking problem? I said it. I feel that way. You are upset that I said it. What's the big deal? -
Gauis-the-wise — 16 years ago(April 03, 2010 04:57 AM)
You're assuming that they are pushing foward an agenda on very limited and circumstantial evidence. You've made the assumption based on two characters who to be fair make comments that a lot of people in the same or similar situations would make. How is that pushing foward an agenda? I've chosen to point out why I think you're being narrow minded and not considered the fact that they MIGHT not be as has the fellow poster who shares my opinion.
I'm not getting upset just pointing out that I disagree, if any one is getting upset it's your self. Although if I was a writer/filmmaker and somebody made a bold accusation about something that I had written and came to a hasty conclusion I think I would have a right to be upset. Especially when there's really very little to back it up apart from two charcters who happen to make comments that YOU do not like. If any one is making a big deal out of this its your self. Don't get all bent out of shape just because I happen to disagree with you and explain why. You've felat a certain way without considering the alternative which has been suggested to you and yet you still cling on to the belief that you're being preached to. If you disagree then fine, but I'm still going to say in my view that you're being narrow minded. -
MuchToBeGratefulFor — 16 years ago(April 03, 2010 06:29 AM)
I agree. Having 2 people make comments you find similar does not make the movie "preachy". If something was going to be "preached", it would be presented in a positive context. Instead, you have one of the comments made by a immature teenager after an immature fight, the other made by as a cop-out by a married man and taken as such by his wife. If anything, the movie makes the "it's the woman's choice and the woman's choice only" stance look pretty bad.
It bothers you, as you've stated, because characters SAID these things. I don't get upset when characters in movies say things I don't agree with, especially when
a) it is quite plausible that these characters would say that in those situations, and
b) it is not presented in a positive way as I've noted above.
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MuchToBeGratefulFor — 16 years ago(April 01, 2010 06:02 PM)
Sorry, don't see it. In one case, a married man makes a cop-out statement "giving" his wife the choice, when what he wants is for her to make the choice that he wants her to make, without him having to say it.
In the other case, an immature teen girl who is in a relationship with an equally immature teenage boy and pregnant by him, threatens to abort the baby after having an immature fight.
Sorry, I don't see what is "the same idea" being pushed here, other than (news flash) people with unplanned and inopportune pregnancies consider abortion. And when discussing it, say things that you apparently don't approve of.
But that's not preaching. As Gauis notes, depicting something in a movie is not the same as giving it the stamp of approval. There is no evidence that the director/producers agree with what either character thinks. But is it plausible that both characters would say what they said? Absolutely.
The other commonality is that both decide to have the baby, and appear happy they did. If anything is being preached here, it's "have the baby."
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Kuato_and_George — 16 years ago(April 02, 2010 06:35 AM)
The other commonality is that both decide to have the baby, and appear happy they did. If anything is being preached here, it's "have the baby."
These are two separate issues that you are combining. They are both related to the same topic, but do not confuse the two.
Whether the character choose to have the baby or not is irrelevent, becasue I'm not disputing they did have the kids.
The outcome and the way they got there are two separate issues. I'm not debating the outcome. I'm not even debating the fact that the characters are seemingly pro-choice (I'm not telling anyone they can't be either). I'm debating over who gets a say - which according to the characters in these situations is only the pregnant party. -
Gauis-the-wise — 16 years ago(April 02, 2010 09:09 PM)
Yes, and you were also debating that the makers of the film were pushing foward an agenda which may have not been the case. And what I have also said is that the father for instance might have a say but ultimately who's decision is it? Gil for instance could have said to Karen he wanted her to keep the baby but who do you think would have had the final say? Noone but the mother ever has the ultimate choice. Wether that's right or wrong I don't know.
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CALICOWBOY1017 — 15 years ago(April 11, 2010 12:16 PM)
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I thought the whole point of that was that it was a cop-out answer on Gil's part. She says to him "Why don't you say what you're really thinking? That I should have an abortion?" He says "I didn't say that. That's a decision every woman has to make on her own," and her response to that is "What are you running for Congress? Don't give me that. I want your opinion." As for pushing an agenda, the scene in the movie raises the issue but it doesn't push an agenda either way, in my honest opinion. The movie does, however, ultimately present parenthood in a positive light, as a "roller coaster" in a way, but the movie, in spite of that one scene, I feel, doesn't present being either pro-life or pro-choice, even though it presents the issue, but it doesn't form a conclusion about that specific topic in general as a whole only in the life of that particular character played by Mary Steenburgen. -
lpt0127 — 15 years ago(May 08, 2010 11:08 AM)
chill out..that obviously wasn't how he truely felt..of course he wanted her to have the baby..he was just stressed to the gills (no pun intended) when they were having that conversationGil had no game and coulnd't get clients laid like the almighty Phil Richards..so he quit his job..
in the end, everything worked out..they soon had 5 kids..then 6..then had a dozen and pretended they were doughnuts.. -
Director-21 — 15 years ago(September 15, 2010 10:09 PM)
Honestly, I think it was the creators shoving an agenda in my face.
So a guy who really doesn't want another kid just tossing the abortion decision back to his wife because he also doesn't want her to think of him as the one who wanted her to get an abortion should she keep the baby is shoving an agenda in your face? -
Paul_Ke — 15 years ago(September 16, 2010 09:41 AM)
Gil did not want the kid, but he knew his wife was going to do what she wanted, so he was trying to step out the way. I don't know why Karen even bothered to ask Gil when she had obviously made up her mind already she was going to have it.
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livid_86 — 15 years ago(October 28, 2010 10:47 AM)
"I don't know why Karen even bothered to ask Gil when she had obviously made up her mind already she was going to have it."
I wondered the same thing. It's like she was trying to start an argument or something. She had her mind set on having the kid, and it's obviously her decision.
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BlackHayate — 15 years ago(January 06, 2011 05:19 PM)
So what would you rather they have done, smack the little thing around & call her a piece of sh!t?
HURHUR THEY LOVE THEIR BABY THEY DIDN'T WANT AT FIRST. DUH-THAT'S PARENTHOOD FOR YA!
You absolute moron.
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Kuato_and_George — 14 years ago(August 19, 2011 10:36 AM)
I don't know why Karen even bothered to ask Gil when she had obviously made up her mind already she was going to have it.
This is actually a really valid point. I guess you could say I was annoyed with bother characters. They're a married couple. I don't see how that decisions shouldn't be up to both of them, but both already had their minds made up.
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