Absolute CRAP
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Deluded Juice — 4 years ago(May 30, 2021 08:07 AM)
What did you think of the conversation between them on the phone about her masturbating in front of Graham?
I found it really awkward that sisters or siblings at all talk like that and share such personal details with each other.
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Synthia7 — 10 years ago(April 23, 2015 01:55 AM)
London, you are not yet skilled in how to interpret movies or art in general.
For example, you criticize the sister insisting on meeting Graham and yet you fail to understand the psychology behind what drives the sister. This fits her psychology perfectly.
You also fail to understand the use of dialogue and the content embedded in dialogue.
Everything you wrote shows a problem with being able to handle movies like this. The problem is not the movie, which earned an Oscar nom for best screenplay.
If you approach the movie with a more analytical mind perhaps you'd enjoy it more. -
londonsuedehead — 10 years ago(April 23, 2015 03:16 AM)
London, you are not yet skilled in how to interpret movies or art in general.
Thanks for letting me know. What was I thinking coming here and discussing films (and art?) in such uneducated manner.
For example, you criticize the sister insisting on meeting Graham and yet you fail to understand the psychology behind what drives the sister. This fits her psychology perfectly.
Yea, it was all very subtle and nice. A ten year old understands the psychology behind what drives the sister. It doesn't change the fact that the portrayal of it was blunt, overemphasised and bad.
You also fail to understand the use of dialogue and the content embedded in dialogue.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8gwtFMutyU
So this is the second time Graham and Ann ever meet (after having met briefly only once before in Ann's house). They meet in a public place - a caf. They talk about very intimate things - therapy, sex, impotence and all that type of stuff you normally do with friends of your partners whom you've never really met before.
What do I fail to understand? The massively cringey and forced sexual undercurrents? The complete awkward and unnatural situation between two strangers? What's this enigmatic "content embedded in dialogue" that I'm missing?
If you approach the movie with a more analytical mind perhaps you'd enjoy it more.
Thanks for the advice, but I'll keep my analytical mind for something more analytically challenging and rewarding. -
Synthia7 — 10 years ago(April 23, 2015 08:06 AM)
Yea, it was all very subtle and nice. A ten year old understands the psychology behind what drives the sister. It doesn't change the fact that the portrayal of it was blunt, overemphasised and bad.
No, I highly doubt you get her psychology. You have no clue what's going on in the movie. And between the people in the movie.
The only thing that is "blunt and overemphasized" is the sister's personality which has nothing to do with her psychology and what drives her to Graham. She doesn't "portray" her psychology. You have to interpret it through her progessive choices
As for her boorish personality, which
is
portrayed, she was described as an extrovert. She's extroverted sexually, which is no big deal and no big mystery.
And that is still not why she goes to see Graham.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8gwtFMutyU
So this is the second time Graham and Ann ever meet (after having met briefly only once before in Ann's house). They meet in a public place - a caf. They talk about very intimate things - therapy, sex, impotence and all that type of stuff you normally do with friends of your partners whom you've never really met before.
AGain, you don't know how to interpret movies or art. You don't know how to interpret things figuratively.
I didn't play the video but I know the scene you're talking about. They aren't strangers. They ARE intimate and the intimacy has been established from their first scene in the living room when they make a connection. And there's a specific line that Graham says that makes it obvious why Anne is interested in him and why she would discuss such intimate things (She already discusses those items with a psychologist who is much more of a stranger than Graham .. but I bet you don't think so because you look at things in a mundane fashion you wouldn't be able to distinguish what establishes intimacy. Anyway, Anne is used to making personal confessions in a casual, impersonal context and she transfers all that from the psychologist to Graham, who has been psychoanalyzing her from their first conversation.)
A hint for you: The reason she talks to Graham is the same reason the sister talks to Graham. They are after the same thing but via different people.
What do I fail to understand?
The massively cringey and forced sexual undercurrents? The complete awkward and unnatural situation between two strangers?
What's this enigmatic "content embedded in dialogue" that I'm missing?
All that is rather obvious. What you don't get is motivation and subtext.
I'll decline to spell it out directly because I feel you should figure it out.
Thanks for the advice, but I'll keep my analytical mind for something more analytically challenging and rewarding.
But you don't even understand this movie. So, I doubt you'll get more challenging ones. I'm deliberately not decoding it for you. -
londonsuedehead — 10 years ago(April 23, 2015 09:20 AM)
You have no clue what's going on in the movie. And between the people in the movie.
you don't know how to interpret movies or art. You don't know how to interpret things figuratively.
you look at things in a mundane fashion you wouldn't be able to distinguish what establishes intimacy
What you don't get is motivation and subtext.
you don't even understand this movie. So, I doubt you'll get more challenging ones.
Hit a nerve, did I? -
SvenHozz — 10 years ago(April 29, 2015 11:11 AM)
Try not to take it to personal,
Synthia7 - has a history of this type of insulting behavior. Thinks they know it all & reviles in 'Head-Butting', yet posts nothing to back it up except their own beliefs.
And "Yeah" you DID hit a nerve, that's why they called you out.
Good Job!!!
"All Games Contain The Concept Of Death" -
Elder_Yautija — 9 years ago(December 31, 2016 01:38 PM)
What were you expecting? The film is called Sex, Lies And Videotape. It's not an episode of Little House On The Prairie! You'd rather listen to them talk about their clthes and jobs? You watch that movie.
These aren't regular type people in the film you watched and failed to understand.
I've had conversations about sex and very intimate stuff with people I had just met through my gf, because we immediately clicked. And there wasn't even any alcohol or marijuana involved. They now know things about me that not even my parents and my brothers know. And vice versa.
So why is it so hard for you to accept the movie's sexual undercurrent? Are you really that big a prude? I'm glad I'm not your friend in real life, you must be as charming and as interesting as a broomstick. Ahah!
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Luxn — 10 years ago(May 02, 2015 06:03 PM)
Ok, so it wasn't your kind of film. That doesn't mean it was bad. Many people, me included, found it fascinating, engrossing and very, VERY sexy (don't ask me why. It's nothing to do with the few sex/intimate scenes). Spader was mesmerising and he came across that way with the help of a talented director. I watch it each time it's on TV and I can't look away, even though I know nothing much really happens. I can't explain why I enjoy it so much but I do.
It's not a complicated movie, nor hard to understand, but it works. -
PrometheusTree64 — 10 years ago(May 19, 2015 09:04 AM)
The embarrasing sexual undercurrents
Well, yeah, it's chock full of "embarrassing sexual undercurrents." I find some of it embarrasing, too, I guess.
But if one has a problem with embarrassing sexual undercurrents, then this movie can't possibly work for you. (Or most other fetishy Spader pictures, for that matter).
I rather liked it when I saw it, but I knew several people who
hated
it but they hated it because they saw the film as being judgmental and condemning of those who maintained an active and varied sex life, as if those characters were incapable of healthy coupling.
And I'm not sure I entirely disagreed with their point.
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BobbyDupea — 10 years ago(July 15, 2015 07:48 AM)
It's interesting that you know several people who thought the movie is judgmental and condemning of those who maintain an active and varied sex life.
It's interesting because there is absolutely nothing in the movie that is judgmental and condemning of those who maintain an active and varied sex life. The movie addresses those who lie about their sex life, not those who have an active and varied sex life.
My real name is Jeff -
BobbyDupea — 10 years ago(July 15, 2015 07:49 AM)
I rather liked it when I saw it, but I knew several people who hated it but they hated it because they saw the film as being judgmental and condemning of those who maintained an active and varied sex life, as if those characters were incapable of healthy coupling.
It's interesting that you know several people who thought the movie is judgmental and condemning of those who maintain an active and varied sex life.
It's interesting because there is absolutely nothing in the movie that is judgmental and condemning of those who maintain an active and varied sex life. The movie addresses those who lie about their sex life, not those who have an active and varied sex life.
My real name is Jeff -
blairjw82 — 10 years ago(August 30, 2015 10:10 AM)
Agreed.absolute melodramatic rubbish better suited to movies 24 channel on sky. Didnt connect or care for any of the characters. The direction was very average and matter of factcould of been any run of the mill director who envisioned this story. There was no interesting dynamic between any of the characters aside from who is screwing whowhooo caaaares!
