Did they or didn't they?
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tvandfilmbuff — 11 years ago(August 25, 2014 01:19 PM)
simplypm2004,
I realize your posts here are quite old, but I just saw this movie for the first time, and was so impressed with it that I wanted to read some discussions about it. I could read your posts about this movie all day long. Sadly, there aren't enough. Thank you for taking the time to write out your thoughts. I feel like you're the only one on these boards that really understood what was going on in this movie.
"I might be a Gung-Fu expert but I need cash!" -
marianaa — 19 years ago(December 27, 2006 05:54 AM)
I don't think it's stupid, scarymonster33. But as for me, personally I don't care if they did.. I really like that that was left to our imagination because it (Graham being physically "cured" by Ann at that moment) was just not the point. The point for me is that Ann had confronted him and touched him in a level no one seems to be able to (at least not since Elizabeth), she healed his spirit. Graham suggests that his lies kept him from connecting with anyone in a deeper level; when he tries to give up the lies it seems he also gives up the hope for connection.. until he is really ready for it. I think it's deliciously ironic that the pathological liar is the most honest character in the story.. Ann then forces him out of his shell, and he can finally be in a truthful, meaningful relationship.
I like the fact that we don't see what happened after Graham turned off the camera, because anything would be too final. And I don't think having sex at that time would lower them to Cynthia and John's level, not at all, because the way I see it it's not about morals.
I think it would be nice if they hadn't even tried, though; I like the idea of Ann curing him, but just not yet. If I had to form an opinion, I would say he just held her, and they kissed and talked.. -
Radiant_Rose — 19 years ago(January 04, 2007 04:54 AM)
Yes but the expression on Ann's face afterwards looked to me as if one way or another she had experienced an orgasm.
Yes, they were both quite curious about what she would look like having one. Although obviously the phrase "one way or another" clearly implies that he might or might not have overcome the impotence to provide one.This is nicebat, my cyberpet.
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Radiant_Rose — 19 years ago(January 05, 2007 05:32 AM)
There are some people who just seem a bit confused about that.
"How on Earth could he give her an orgasm! He cannot be impotent! He must meant that he is celibate but only
claiming
to be impotent! It's all terribly complicated, because that means that actually he
is
still a liar and not a former-liar-in-recovery! What are the implications????"
Glad that we are not amongst this sweet but confused/confusing bunch!This is nicebat, my cyberpet.
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juliatheena — 19 years ago(February 09, 2007 07:28 PM)
Very simple.
She cured him of his impotence and he gave her an orgasm. No doubts here. And people, you don't have to beep someone to have an orgasm. She says she 'didn't beep him. Fine! The ending scene says it all. -
Radiant_Rose — 19 years ago(February 12, 2007 04:26 AM)
And people, you don't have to beep someone to have an orgasm.
I swear, there
are
people who don't get it at all!
She leaves us guessing as to whether she beeped him: her guilty look when John interrogates her could mean they did or they didn't.Nicebat and I had to party.
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indymovies — 19 years ago(March 19, 2007 02:37 PM)
I've just read an interview with Soderbergh where he says:-
"In the early version of the film it was very, very clear that they didn' have sex. And in a stunning reversal Bob Newmeyer, one of my producers, suggested I make some cuts to make it less obvious whether or not something happened. Sometimes I still don't know if we even went far enough." -
sherrykearns — 12 years ago(December 05, 2013 03:41 AM)
they certainly did something. it was pretty obvious in the scene between ann and her sister that ann was a changed woman. the implication of that scene was that she had had an orgasm and graham had given it to her.
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hotsprings2 — 10 years ago(May 09, 2015 12:37 AM)
I know this is a super old topic but I want to point out to anyone reading this topic that
Some type of impotence where you can't get hard can be caused by depression and psychological issues.
The film explains that graham really hasn't had an erection with a woman for a long time.
When he turned off the camera when he was with Ann. I thought that it was because he experienced an erection for the first time since elizabeth and he felt like he didn't need the camera's anymore.
ann was the girl that cured his psychological or depression problems which led to him being able to get an erection.