Conversation About Orgasm
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xxsaffron-1 — 20 years ago(January 15, 2006 09:38 PM)
I think he means that he could and still can make a woman orgasm, but he has deliberately chosen not to be that intimate and vulnerable with a woman for the past 9 years. If you watch that scene and that conversation over again it makes a lot more sense.
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Radiant_Rose — 20 years ago(January 16, 2006 05:05 AM)
Saffron: I like the way we all see the film differently. I think it is so well written, as well as being so well-acted that I forget my general dislike of watching Andie MacDowell.
However, I am sticking to my intepretation. If he means that he has chosen celibacy for the past 9 years, why would he have said he was unable to get an erection in the presence of another person? Unless he was lying to Ann, which would make everything more complicated. If we assume that Graham has not managed to curb the lying habit, which are the lies?
Oh, that just makes it too complicated for me. In addition, he does not specify which part of the anatomy is involved in the ability to cause the orgasm. -
Radiant_Rose — 18 years ago(December 07, 2007 05:27 AM)
Ie that he is impotent in the presence of another person, until Ann decides to seduce him.
That would still make him able to cause an orgasm in another person.
My interpretation of the seduction scene is that when he opens his eyes, it is the first time in 9 years that he has achieved an erection in the presence of another person.
Sweet- yet bent on global domination!
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orcaroline — 20 years ago(March 17, 2006 09:25 PM)
He says that he didn't used to express himself verbally and that it frightened people, so I think that by talking to women about sex he was taking interacting verbally with people to the extreme. Maybe he focused on the mental aspects of sex so much that he felt he'd lost his ability to take care of the physical ones. I think that was the cause of his impotence.
So I think he could make a woman orgasm, even through intercourse, but that he hasn't tried to in so long that he considers himself physically unable to do it.
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elhbnd — 19 years ago(July 03, 2006 12:12 PM)
My immediate interpretation of it was also (b) that he still is, just based on that they're speaking in present. But thinking about it, doesn't he go on - as she ask if he can do that for her - to say that he "can't because I won't". It could just be regarding Ann, but in the context it sounds as if he is referring to his entire decision not to have sex.
I guess that that would be (a), though it couldn't really be called impotence then, as it would be something he had chosen himself -
simplypm2004 — 19 years ago(October 23, 2006 08:16 PM)
I suspect that it may be (d) "none of the above". He says, "I can't. I mean, I can't because I won't". By saying this it seems that he isn't really addressing the impotence question at all. Whether he simply demurs, perhaps because he sees it as not relevant, or whether he retreats, because he is unwilling to address it, is not at all clear. But what he does seem to be indicating is that he wants her to sense that it is his UNWILLINGNESS that is the reason he is not going to bring her to an orgasm. He wants her to know that there are other more important reasons involved than his sexual potency. The questions of: in what way, under what circumstances, and on what basis he should become "intimate" with her, are priorities for him. This is his first declaration of love. He doesn't want her to suspect that, even for a moment, she would fall into the category of other women that he has had relations with in the past. I don't think that this is a cerebral based decision, but gut instinctive honesty. He won't, because he needs to get other things in order in his relation with her first, before it gets complicated or imperiled by some compulsive sexual encounter. This is actually the turning point in his return to "normalcy". He is more concerned about having a right relation to the beloved (Ann), than a subsidiary question of sexual responsiveness. It is precisely this "forgetting about himself" and wanting to be right with her that empowers him. For the first time in his life things are in alignment. There is a right regard for the other. She in no way undervalues his inward and sensitive nature, nor overlooks his awkward way of sublimating it (she says its "pathetic"). At the same time she opens herself up to him revealing a similarly shielded inwardness. This aspect of herself lay dormant and sheltered from the world of banal and superficial people that were her lot. In the final analysis, it would appear that these two characters who appeared to be the most dysfunctional got that way simply because there was no healthy stimulus or outlet for their more sensitive characteristics. Who was in their environment? We know about John because we plainly see his crudeness. He was either unaware or disinterested in the fact that Ann even had an orgasm - ever! What could he offer Ann? He was content to screw Anns sister in the same bed where they slept together as man and wife. And of course, her sister says she hopes to get off on that very fact. The mysterious Elizabeth, we find out, also slept with John, before Graham started having problems in the relationship. She was great in bed and was also calculating enough to be able to conceal it from Graham. Her relationship with Graham was deceptive, dishonest and totally on the surface. Meanwhile both Ann's superficial sister and self-centered husband, who at first appear to be the strong and stable ones, show themselves to be the most empty and pathetic in the end. I found it very interesting that, after her interview with Graham, Cynthia was in a fever pitch that she attempted to quell with John, but afterwards realized that John didnt really touch her where Graham had and Graham never laid a hand on her. Perhaps for the first time in her life Cynthia became aware of a deeper layer of experience that never had a chance to come out because she was always drowning it out with sensual stimulation.
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Radiant_Rose — 19 years ago(November 01, 2006 09:17 AM)
Wow, you've really thought about this, simplypm2004!
I think that Cynthia emerged okay. I think she was starting to put her rather silly sibling rivalry behind her. Apart from that, she seemed quite together: she had her artwork, her financial independence, her plants things that mattered to her. I'm glad Ann was starting to forgive her.
Mind you, I have had issues with sibling rivalry and would
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have tried to deal with it by bonking my sister's partner (past or present!!!!!!!!Don't dream it, be it.
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simplypm2004 — 19 years ago(November 02, 2006 04:12 PM)
I was only getting warmed up.
I agree that it did appear that Cynthia was on the road to recovery. It was really only John about whom we can only guess.
"The truth does not make it easier to understand." Sophie Zawistowski -
Radiant_Rose — 19 years ago(November 03, 2006 05:21 AM)
I may be biased re Cynthia. I quite liked her. My creative writing teacher thought Cynthia was horrid! And it must have been difficult for Laura San Giacomo: "Your the one with a chip on your shoulder because everyone thinks your sister is prettier than you. Congratulations. You are officially less attractive than Andie."
I think Laura is more attractive, but that's just me.Don't dream it, be it.
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PoppyTransfusion — 14 years ago(September 09, 2011 12:58 PM)
I found it very interesting that, after her interview with Graham, Cynthia was in a fever pitch that she attempted to quell with John, but afterwards realized that John didnt really touch her where Graham had and Graham never laid a hand on her. Perhaps for the first time in her life Cynthia became aware of a deeper layer of experience that never had a chance to come out because she was always drowning it out with sensual stimulation.
What a good observation. I really like that distinction between Graham never laying a hand in comparison to her relationship with John. I wonder too if the interview with Graham made her more aware of herself and her sensuality rather than it being always man-orientated and penetrative.
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