My biggest problem with this that nobody ever notices…
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juanperezXelsabio — 9 years ago(February 05, 2017 11:13 AM)
You're not thinking fourth-dimensionally (to quote Doc Brown). When he traveled to the past (from 2015, alternate 1985 and finally 1955, hit by lightning), he had already invented the time machine (in the "real" 1985, as we see in the first movie). The real sequence would be: Doc Brown and Clara raise a family in 1885 (and travel through time), in the early 20th century the Von Brauns emigrate to Hill Valley, eventually Emmett Brown is born and the story goes on as we know it. That's the way I see it.
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enterlexx — 10 years ago(September 10, 2015 08:16 AM)
it's a movie.
the more you think of it, the more it doesn't make any sense.
but hey those movies are 25-30 years old.
lots of time to think about it all.
the one that bugs me the most is from part 1:
there is no way he would still be born even when he succeeded in getting his mum and dad together.
the fact that he pushed his dad away from that car should have rearranged the seeds in his dads nutsack, preventing him from ever getting born
and even if you ignore even that. what are the chances his mum and dad would have had sex at the exact same time, same place, in the exact same way, and same duration for him to ever get born?
things can only happens once, so him disappearing is bs too.
silly photo lol
his head is gone!.erased from existence! oooh spooky
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mr-blonde-vic-vega — 10 years ago(October 26, 2015 06:09 AM)
That really was the theme of Part I.
I mean you have two things known for being exceedingly reliable, fail, the AK-47 and the Volkswagen. This allows Marty to travel back in time. The whole Clocktower scene hinges on Marty hitting it exactly when the lightning strikes at 88mph - but the alarm clock Doc gives him goes off and the car stalls. If Marty had gone when the alarm clock went off he would've been too early for the lightning bolt and missed the chance.
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Low_Rent — 10 years ago(October 06, 2015 10:53 AM)
there is no way he would still be born even when he succeeded in getting his mum and dad together.
the fact that he pushed his dad away from that car should have rearranged the seeds in his dads nutsack, preventing him from ever getting born
LMFAO!!!!
Whether or not this is correct doesn't even matter. This had me laughing until my stomach hurt.
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mikeyg24 — 10 years ago(September 14, 2015 08:11 PM)
I often wondered myself how irresponsible it was of Doc introducing two children to the STC that otherwise wouldn't have existed had he not invented the time machine. Especially after preventing what should have been Clara's death.
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mikeyg24 — 10 years ago(September 22, 2015 11:07 AM)
Especially when you consider that they more than likely grew up very clever and really can't have made any sort of contribution to the STC.
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bodyspiritsoul — 10 years ago(September 27, 2015 02:24 AM)
yeah its true if he didnt fix most of the events so nothing tampered with the original outcome, things would have changed. theres 1000's of sperm swimming for an egg at the moment Marty was first conceived.just because the mom and dad are together dont mean they will have Marty, its not like bullets in a clip needing an action to make the reaction. thats the thing when you write a book or script. what fun is it if you have to follow exact truth.
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maryj482 — 10 years ago(September 30, 2015 04:22 PM)
These movies are full of time travel paradoxes and inconsistencies if you look into them too closely. The one that always bothered me is doc's timeline in the third movie.
Older Doc from 1985 is transported back to the Old West (1885). Marty finds younger Doc in 1955 to help him out.
At this point in 1955, Young Doc finds out the whole story and knows Biff is going to kill him in the old west. Then, Doc lives 30 years until 1985, is now Older Doc, he invents time machine, starts on his time travels, and ends up back in 1885. Older Doc is from 1985 is the one who went back to the Old West.
However, the whole plot of the movie rests on Marty having to go back to 1885 to tell Older Doc (from 1985) what happened. Even though Younger Doc already knew from being told when he was actually 30 years younger in 1955.
The movie is still enjoyable, but this was the one flaw that took me out of the movie too much and dimmed my appreciation for it a bit. At least the disappearing heads in the picture and the lack of changes to the world caused by too much time travel can maybe actually happen in the movie's universe.
But this one is a true plot hole. Essentially, when Doc was 30 years old he learned that he was going to be shot by Buford Tannen when he reached the age of 60 years old and had travelled back in time to the old west. (Ages are made up to try to clarify the point, it is funny that Doc seems to not visibly age from 1955-1985!) But then Doc forgot that information so Marty could spend the movie going back to the old west to rescue him! -
buddyboy28 — 10 years ago(October 01, 2015 05:17 AM)
this one is a true plot hole
It isn't. A true plot hole can't be defended no matter how you look at it. In these movies, the time traveller retain their memories. If you look at the trilogy the writing doesn't contradict itself with that scenario. 1985 Doc retains his past life memories from the time he left 1955, so didn't know he was going to be shot, wasn't expecting Marty, didn't know about Clara, and still thought of Shonash Ravine as Clayton Ravine.
it is funny that Doc seems to not visibly age from 1955-1985!
He went from having blonde hair to pure white hair, and loads of wrinkles on his neck and around his eyes.
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LeSamourai86 — 9 years ago(May 22, 2016 09:53 PM)
But what about ripple effect? If I hit the 1955 doc and scarred him permanently, that scar would appear on the 1885 doc. Thus, if 1955 doc knows Marty will be arriving in 1885, and that he himself will be shot by Buford, then 1885 doc should now know.
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doubl3 — 10 years ago(October 24, 2015 04:20 PM)
If you think it through everything makes sense. You have to think about those time travel incidents as still in a straight line time-wise, so doc in 1955 does NOT know what happened in 1885 based on memory because he was NOT in 1885 in his past, he was there in his future.
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Jack_rabbit — 10 years ago(October 21, 2015 02:51 PM)
Ahh, but Doc was "supposed" to have been murdered by Libyans, and left the time stream at the end of the first film. Clara was "supposed" to have died in the ravine. Depending on how long it took him to build his time travelling train, he and Clara could exist "out of time" and have no effect on its progression.
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darkpassenger888 — 10 years ago(October 22, 2015 07:54 PM)
The movie is full of flaws. With both Doc and Marty in 1885, the only reason that Doc is in the right place to save Clara is because Marty is with him. When it is only the Doc in 1885, how the bloody hell is it that he prevented Clara's death?
Yes, there should be very noticeable differences in 1985, but I love the movie enough that I don't give a damn.
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