More plot holes
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libra113 — 9 years ago(September 21, 2016 04:08 PM)
It's called basic memory. Why wouldn't 1985 Doc remember meeting 1985 Marty in 1955? Especially, since he ended up reading Marty's note and wearing a bulletproof vest.
He can't remember SOME of the events and forget the rest. It's all way too much convenient memories syndrome. -
buddyboy28 — 9 years ago(September 21, 2016 05:59 PM)
It's called basic memory
No you said 1985 Doc should know that Marty is going to end up in 1955 at some point at the very beginning. He had to befriend him to make sure it all happened.
Like I said it doesn't follow the time travel rules of movies like the original Terminator and Twelve Monkeys, so how would he know before he's gone back?
Why wouldn't Doc remember meeting 1985 Marty in 1955? Especially, since he ended up reading Marty's note and wearing a bulletproof vest
He does in the changed Lone Pine Mall timeline.
"Bulletproof vest. How did you know? I never got a chance to tell you". -
libra113 — 9 years ago(September 21, 2016 06:36 PM)
So, if you're friends with someone now and he goes back and meets you at, for example, age 12 and you go through a bunch of stuff and he tells you he knows you and he's from 2016 and all that then you're not going to remember it by the time 2016 rolls around?
You're just somehow going to forget all that? -
buddyboy28 — 9 years ago(September 24, 2016 03:19 PM)
It's the whole thing I was talking about. It's called an example, they're used to illustrate a point
No, it's called you dodging around what I was talking about and bringing up something that wasn't mentioned which is why I quoted you with what I was replying to in the first place.
Let's get this clear. Doc's not expecting Marty in 1885 because the time traveller retains their memories in the BTTF movies and he was outside of his original timeline. I don't care if you don't like that explanation, that's the way it is. I wasn't even interested in talking about that because it's been mentioned enough in this thread.
I wasn't even talking about this movie, I was talking about the first one which you brought up and said that Doc SHOULD know which you posted in capitals to emphasize it, that Marty was going to end up in 1955 at the very beginning and that he knew he was always going to be friends with him which is wrong because BTTF doesn't follow the predestined time loop rules. -
sanddragon939 — 9 years ago(December 13, 2016 01:21 PM)
I haven't read the BTTF3 novelization fully, but there's an interesting passage about the memory thing I remember reading somewhere online.
The gist of it is that after Marty tells Doc "You did" in response to Doc asking him who dressed him up in that "ridiculous outfit", Doc suddenly remembers the events in 1955 (meeting Marty for a second time, unearthing the Delorean from the mine, seeing the tombstone, sending Marty back to 1885 etc.) When he ponders about why he didn't remember them 'all along' he surmises that its because those events hadn't happened 'yet'and Marty's appearance in 1885 meant that those events happened, which is how he remembers them now.
Personally, I prefer a simpler approach to the memory thing. The ripple effect, at least as far as memories go, moves only FORWARD in time, not BACKWARDS. So, if a change is made to Doc's past in 1955, it will move forward in time. So Doc in 1961 will remember the early events of BTTF3, as will Doc in 1973 or Doc in 1985.
But Doc in 1885 won't remember because the ripple from the altered 1955 can't reach him when he's in the past relative to his natural timeline.
So, maybe, when Doc travels to the future at the end of the trilogy, the ripple catches up with him and he remembers meeting Marty in 1955 again.
There's one more wrinkle as far as Doc's memories of the early part of BTTF3 go, and it touches upon the paradox at the heart of this film - namely, Doc's tombstone.
In the final Eastwood timeline, the tombstone doesn't exist, which means that Marty and Doc in 1955 shouldn't have seen it at the mine. Which logically should be a paradox since without the tombstone, Marty wouldn't have gone back to 1885 to save Doc in the first place.
Now, the 'fix' to this, which I long ago came up with, is that in the revised sequence of 1955 events, Marty and Doc didn't see the tombstone, but Marty DID visit the local library to look up Doc in the 1880's and he then comes across the photo taken at the Clock Tower inaugurationwhich now includes both Doc AND him in Old West garb. Suddenly, Marty realizes he's 'destined' to go to the Old West and meet Doc for some reason, and that's how he gets sent back to 1885.
So, if at all Doc gets memories of the revised 1955, he shouldn't remember the tombstone but rather, some alternate sequence of events (like what I've outlined above) which led Marty back to 1885.
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Kotter7579 — 9 years ago(January 25, 2017 10:28 PM)
if pictures, newspapers, and even matchboxes can change while looking at them due to a time altering event, why couldn't a gas can full of fuel appear in the trunk somewhere?
sigh ..deli, this comment alone means you need to watch all three movies again- twice- all deleted scenes AND you are banished to suffer thru the Kirk Cameron Q&A short special.
You'll kill everyone!
But Ice Cream Cake!