How often do military trainees get killed in livefire exercises?
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pandora1971 — 18 years ago(January 07, 2008 05:04 PM)
Our base lost at least 5 guys in one year in what I know were training exercises. There were a lot more but they were reported as vehicle accidents and most of those probably really were what was reported.
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flyer333555 — 17 years ago(December 17, 2008 01:49 PM)
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"As for stats - the military does in fact keep very good records of folks who are killed in training. All conventional units and nearly"
The question is not "does the military keep accurate records" but "does the military releases this information to the public?"
His words may not have asked that precisely worded question.
The military does keep accurate records. The OP wants to know is if the info is passed on to the public. That is what others are stating here. The military does not release this information to the general public. At least I do not read this in all papers or see this in the TV every time it happens. -
brightmidnight71 — 16 years ago(April 17, 2009 10:33 AM)
Thatwas a great post.
We see people killed in LFX frequently in war movies. The most recent I can recall was Jarhead, but I know I've seen others. Tigerland, possibly?
I see the need for it. These people are training to kill an enemy while being engagedwhich comes with real danger. To train for that, there has to be a certain amount of real, not percieved dangeror what's the point. And, fast ropeing out of a chopperit's not like going down a sliding board. When working with explosives and heights in extreme conditions with giant machines aroundaccidents will happen.
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gus00 — 18 years ago(February 16, 2008 03:00 PM)
You have to be more specific. Deaths in training are common but deaths from bullet wounds during live-fire exercises are quite rare. Training deaths mostly come from falls, heat exhaustion, vehicle/equipment accidents, drowning, all the sort of incidents you would expect from any labor intensive activity of that level. By comparison LFX training may be some of the safest training events for two reasons. First, because of the extensive safety measures taken, and secondly because live-fire events are mostly limited to elite forces like US Navy Seals, SAS, Delta Force, etc. meaning the soldiers involved are the most highly trained and experienced there are. Common soldiers are seldom if ever involved in FLX.
On a side note, because this statistic really does not relate to the topic, it was noted that, even including combat deaths, the death rate among US service personel was lower during Operation Desert Shield/Desert Storm than during the same period the year before during peacetime. This was mostly attributed to the extended time soldiers spent in the desert with no cars, alcohol or off-duty time for mischief.
Gus
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lasttoknw — 17 years ago(April 09, 2008 07:35 PM)
"LFX are mostly limited to elite forces like"
Who told you this? I spent five years in the Army Infantry, hardly an elite force, and took part in many live fire exercises. Incidentally, I never saw or even heard of anyone getting killed in one. -
Spongeyone — 17 years ago(February 27, 2009 11:43 PM)
For every military man you see walking around, atleast 3 have been killed in livefire exercises, in North Korea its around 4/5 that get killed
maybe if you add up every military in the last 50,000 years. Otherwise I'm responding to a madman.
People who think that "alot" is a word in English are almost always idiots.
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mookieperez — 17 years ago(May 13, 2008 01:29 PM)
never unless you are a retard. they fire so far away from you that you have to be an idiot to get shot. you have to try to get shot.
but its all about seeing who can handle the pressure, or who would just fold. weeding out the weak real quick. -
rockmail — 17 years ago(December 10, 2008 07:59 AM)
As stated, "live fire" exercises are not near the killer or crippler that just plain physical challenges are. Live fire is carefully planned to make a lot of noise, and to avoid situations of real danger.
What isn't mentioned so often is the high percentage of candidates who are crippled by training and competition while trying to get into elite military teams. There are thousands who end their military careers due to the extreme damage that the training does to their bodies. Many are killed accidentally as well. Glamorous it is not.
I give all these dudes their due credit, but anyone out there that is contemplating it for a job, should realize that not only do most fail to enter the service, but many end up crippled for life - in fact many who make it in, get crippled outside of actual action as well. But such are the risks you need to be willing to take if this is your job of choice.
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rgrc175 — 12 years ago(July 07, 2013 01:03 PM)
Too often. I served with company C, 1st Ranger battalion, '80-82. Several Rangers were hit and a few killed. The trick is proper control, a good plan, and good execution. The liabilities are numerous. Rehearsals are critical as are following and maintaining the four principles of operations. But often luck does play a part: Tripping, falling, etc. In '99 I had metal removed from my back that I was not even aware was there. The incident occurred in '80. Even those things happen. In large units, such as company or battalion size units, the dynamics are far greater and so are the possibilities for accidents. Negligence is unacceptable and costs careers or worse.