How often do military trainees get killed in livefire exercises?
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lasttoknw — 17 years ago(April 09, 2008 07:35 PM)
"LFX are mostly limited to elite forces like"
Who told you this? I spent five years in the Army Infantry, hardly an elite force, and took part in many live fire exercises. Incidentally, I never saw or even heard of anyone getting killed in one. -
Spongeyone — 17 years ago(February 27, 2009 11:43 PM)
For every military man you see walking around, atleast 3 have been killed in livefire exercises, in North Korea its around 4/5 that get killed
maybe if you add up every military in the last 50,000 years. Otherwise I'm responding to a madman.
People who think that "alot" is a word in English are almost always idiots.
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mookieperez — 17 years ago(May 13, 2008 01:29 PM)
never unless you are a retard. they fire so far away from you that you have to be an idiot to get shot. you have to try to get shot.
but its all about seeing who can handle the pressure, or who would just fold. weeding out the weak real quick. -
rockmail — 17 years ago(December 10, 2008 07:59 AM)
As stated, "live fire" exercises are not near the killer or crippler that just plain physical challenges are. Live fire is carefully planned to make a lot of noise, and to avoid situations of real danger.
What isn't mentioned so often is the high percentage of candidates who are crippled by training and competition while trying to get into elite military teams. There are thousands who end their military careers due to the extreme damage that the training does to their bodies. Many are killed accidentally as well. Glamorous it is not.
I give all these dudes their due credit, but anyone out there that is contemplating it for a job, should realize that not only do most fail to enter the service, but many end up crippled for life - in fact many who make it in, get crippled outside of actual action as well. But such are the risks you need to be willing to take if this is your job of choice.
No thanks for me, but thank you to those who do. -
rgrc175 — 12 years ago(July 07, 2013 01:03 PM)
Too often. I served with company C, 1st Ranger battalion, '80-82. Several Rangers were hit and a few killed. The trick is proper control, a good plan, and good execution. The liabilities are numerous. Rehearsals are critical as are following and maintaining the four principles of operations. But often luck does play a part: Tripping, falling, etc. In '99 I had metal removed from my back that I was not even aware was there. The incident occurred in '80. Even those things happen. In large units, such as company or battalion size units, the dynamics are far greater and so are the possibilities for accidents. Negligence is unacceptable and costs careers or worse.
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Prairie_Scum — 11 years ago(February 21, 2015 10:25 AM)
Accidents happen all of the time and the term live fire is really quite vague and can encompass a lot more than just stray bullets. When I was at ft Bragg doing contract work sometime around 2001 or so a mortar was fired incorrectly and killed a couple soldiers on the main base (don't know all the details) and I heard of a similar accident occurring at Ft Drum. I also got to attend a live fire demonstration at Ft Riley around 1989 that was put on for family and VIP's. It was cut short when an MLRS caught fire and had to be abandoned by the crew. Nobody was injured but there was a very real danger of whatever live munitions onboard going off.
Even with the MILES laser simulation system I worked on (basically laser tag), pyrotechnic charges were used to replicate the characteristics (smoke, recoil, etc.) of live rocket and tank rounds and those carried a slight hazard.
The military tries the best it can to "train like we fight" which is why they use live ammo and there will be a fair number of live fire incidents resulting in injury or death that aren't exclusive to special forces type units. And as others have commented, you can add vehicle accidents, parachute jumps, helicopter repelling, bomb loading, sailors falling overboard and a ton of other training activities to the list of training related fatalities. -
sfcpldc — 9 years ago(December 30, 2016 03:46 PM)
I was a leadership instructor(Primary, Basic and Advanced leadership courses) while in Army before I retired. One of the classes I taught was "Risk Management". The stats for those killed in training will shock some. More soldiers (Army) have died in training accidents then all the wars (combat deaths) combined.