Seals Vs SAS
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ipmorrison — 19 years ago(September 16, 2006 05:22 PM)
And how exactly did you come to that conclusion? I've never laughed so much in my life!!! The SEALS training is hard.i'll give them that, but not as hard as SAS training.no way in hell!
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thelastbattleship — 19 years ago(September 05, 2006 06:46 AM)
To correct you STMOK the real reason for the Blackhawk Disaster was Pilot Error. An SASR bloke I knew told me the pilot who died in the crash was a bit of an agressive flier. Did not speak highly of him at all.
The Supersonic flyby was copied from a counter-terrorism mission that occured in the Netherlands on June 11 1977: A pair of Royal Netherlands Air Force F-104 Fighter-Interceptors did a Mach 1 flyby over a train which held the hostages and terrorists just prior to the Dutch Marines BBE commando assault, which was successful. -
sjhaycroft — 19 years ago(February 15, 2007 07:22 PM)
SAS are world renowned. without a doubt the most elite fighting force, ive also heard that the SAS help trian delta but notto sure on how true that is. but yeh SAS definatly number 1. lets take for example the bravo two zero story, those SAS guys absolutely slaughtered a few hundred iraqis, notto mention the embassy job
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ipmorrison — 19 years ago(February 18, 2007 01:52 PM)
SBS don't use tanks you plank Delta can't do crap, plus they're "supposedly" extraction and anti-terrorism specialists. They have a different role to the SBS who's main role is maritime recon and demolition. Delta have never (as far as I am aware) ever had a successful hostage rescue mission
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ipmorrison — 19 years ago(February 18, 2007 01:56 PM)
Sorry, i'm not taking sides cuz I don't know, but I will say that not all info has internet linksperhaps try reading a book or two? Anyway, there are frequent references made about the SAS being, and I quote, "The World's Best"i've never heard anybody name another special forces unit that
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pq0101 — 19 years ago(February 19, 2007 06:40 PM)
LOL Ipmorisson claims to be an expert yet he doesn't even know that the SBS has been using tanks in Iraq. Ipmorisson, how do you feel about your sissified country laying down to muslim extremists who preach hate in the mosques? LOL, there's no england any more, chump. Furthermore, who are you in a position to say that one training is tougher than the other? You've not been through Delta or SAS selection. I would also certainly give Delta the edge because of technology and financial backing.
Just reference SAS and bravo two zero (poor mission planning) where they made a hash of things, and then the SBS retreating and leaving weapons into the hands of enemy insurgents. Of course Delta had to come in and fix the mistakes of limey brits. -
ipmorrison — 19 years ago(February 20, 2007 09:53 AM)
The SBS don't use tanksthey never have. (you should really do some research before you get yourself into a sticky situation) We don't lay down to extremistsin fact we're fighting a stronger fight than the USA is. Your country has always welcomed any loser in, whatever their situationkinda accounts for all the psychos, rednecks and nutters over there.
You're right, I haven't been through Delta or SAS selection, but a friend of my father is ex-SAS and I have a friend from college who is now a Royal Marine Commando. I work for the MoD alongside the RAF (and an RAF Regiment Flight), and have a personal interest in all aspects of the military, and have researched for years out of personal interesti'd say i'm better qualified to judge than most.
It shows how little you know about the SAS when you speak of financial backingthe SAS are allowed to use any equipment that they request, which is why they are often armed in a totally different manner to the rest of the British armed forces. I'm not saying that, individually, Delta aren't skilled, but that they are ill-organised. Operation Eagle Claw? Operation Gothic Serpent? The assault by Delta on Richmond Hill prison in Grenada? etc. etc.
Some of those are such big cock-ups that it makes me wonder how Delta are classified as 'elite'
Leroy Thompson (an American expert on the world's special forces) dedicated a chapter in his book, "The Rescuers" to the top hostage rescue units in the world. He awarded marks for: command and control, training, personnel, weapons and equipment, intelligence and versatility. The SAS were the only unit to be awarded top marks in the evaluation. 30 points. In descending order after the SAS were: GSG 9, GIGN, Australian SAS and Sayeret Matkal. The American units didn't even make the list in terms of hostage rescue ability (and I know that's just one role.)
If you have read all the material on Bravo Two Zero, you will know that the SAS commander and his second of Bravo Two Zero were actually in Colombia at the time on undercover operations against drugs cartels after being sent there by the government. Therefore the team did not have it's commanders in the field, and were under the command of Sergeant 'Andy McNab'. The mission, therefore, could not be properly planned Still, it's the only SAS-related
mess-up you can find, and it wasn't really their faultread up on the subject before mouthing off. (and not just Bravo Two Zeroalso The Shooting Gallery, The One That Got Away and Soldier FiveI believe there are other literary sources too.)
Delta have never 'fixed' anythingThe incident you speak of was a Taliban ambush. There was a single vehicle, which wouldn't have been a tank, because special forces don't use tanks. There is no evidence that the SBS were even involved, but the Royal Marines and Parachute Regiment were there. Only two men died, which is sad, but no disaster in military terms. Delta and the Rangers lost more men in Gothic Serpent
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pq0101 — 19 years ago(February 20, 2007 02:37 PM)
Let's see here, your father's friend was in the SAS (which he's probably lying about) and this somehow makes you an expert? LOL. England is a country of sissies, they aren't even allowed to wave their own flags in the streets becuase they are scared of the muslims. Extremists are openly preaching hate in the mosques there, yet everyone refuses to do anything about it. Talk about a country full of wimps. Your country is so liberal and backwards that soon you'll be just another middle eastern country located in the "west." Enjoy it. SAS/SBS have a long history of messups and killing each other. (I.e. Falklands). With such weak support for troops in England and liberalism taking such a strong in that "country", I highly doubt the SAS recieves adaquete funding. UKSF is extremely small as well. Hell, the UK is about the size of Florida.
bottom line:
Delta > SAS
SEAL Teams >>>SBS
USMC Force Recon >>SBS
PJ/CCT >>>>>> UK PARA
160th SOAR (Night Stalkers) >>> Do you even have a S.O. heli regiment? Doubt it
USMC > your entire basic infantry
Plus Rangers, Army SF (Green Berets) and a lot of other specialized units. Your military is simply too small. Few join up because they hate their own country and anything to do with patriotism. Enjoy. -
ipmorrison — 19 years ago(February 20, 2007 05:19 PM)
- My father's friend was in the SAS. Not that you'd be able to get proof for yourself, because our Special Forces are a bit more secretive than your loud-mouth cocksure numbskulls.
- The SAS and SBS don't have a history of killing each other (I see you never give examples - just mouth off. Your claims are empty!), and in The Falklands campaign (a war your country knows little of, and cares little about), they did sterling service.
- The amount of blue-on-blues by US forces on their own, or our troops is a list that is longer than the latest Tom Clancy best seller. See the recent attack by one of your planes on British Army troops? Dumba$$
- Size of Special Forces isn't what matters (did you know that the standard SAS operating unit is 4 men? Many of the Gulf War patrols were doubled up. SEALS, Green Berets etc operate in 12 man teams - where's the guile in that?).it's skill, training, discipline, equipment. That's what singles them out from the rest. The US Special Forces have more numbers and the right equipment, but don't have the training and discipline
- Delta = Wannabe SAS who cock-up most jobs they're given.you actually read up on those disasters I stated? Yes they are bigger in number, just not in anything else.
- SBS have been doing their job since before the SEALS were even thought ofthey are the best in the world at what they do. They're also more specialised than SEALS. You spend alot of time saying that your forces are better, and yet (like most Yanks) don't give any reasons why?
- Force Recon would get owned in an instant by SBSthey're merely jumped up Devil Dogs (who can't even compare to Royal Marines, who are COMMANDOS!!!)
- Parachute Regiment are one of the most feared units in the world Their reputation precedes them, and it's well earned. Read up on some of these units, and you'll actually learn something. (living where you do, that might be a new concept)
- The RAF and Royal Navy transports out troops by helicopter, and yes we have Special Ops Chinooks in the RAF.
- Our entire basic infantry are better than your entire basic infantrylike for like?
We have units with US REGIMENTAL CITATIONS for saving US backsides that are obviously undeserving if they're anything like you. My county regiment is one of the most distiguished in the world. The Gloucestershire Regiment was the most decorated in the British Armyread up on The Battle of The Imjin River. Where are the US units with medals from the British? Your forces couldn't do without us - Actually, alot of people join uptoo many in most cases. It's not too small. If it was any bigger, it would be too big for our country. I guess that's just the Americans with size.having to compensate for something. Is that why there are so many fat-arses over there?
- Remember, there was a British Empirewe ruled over half the world. Not bad for a small country? Eh? There will never be an American Empireyou're just pretenders! WE MADE YOU Colonialswill they never learn?
As I said, read updo some research, and then you can say something. Don't just spew out the crap that your nation spoon feeds you, and expect that all the RAH RAHing and pom poms are gonna impress me.they don't. You're just noise and hot air
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pq0101 — 19 years ago(February 20, 2007 08:03 PM)
If it wasn't for the Yanks, you'd be speaking german. We saved your "arse" in the world wars and we "colonials" as you put it, KICKED YOUR A$$ out of our country during the American Revolution. That makes us undefeated versus you in wars, and oh, I think it'd be a big riot to see you limey, crooked teeth, pasty wimps try to take us on in this day of age. You outnumbered us back then yet we still managed to slaughter you. We have something you don't have. A warrior spirit and mentality. You are a typical jealous, sissified european with an inferiority complex. There's only 1 world superpower and guess who it is? Hurts doesn't it? By the way, are you English or Scottish or Welsh or what? WTF is up with that when you need 3 or 4 different countries to unify and become 1 country? Pretty lame. U.S. SOF is far superior to anything Britain or England or Scotland Or Welshland or Pastyfaceland has to offer. Game, Set, & Match.
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ipmorrison — 19 years ago(February 21, 2007 12:39 AM)
Funny how you Yanks always say that. In fact, the Germans gave up conquering England and turned on Russia after the Royal Air Force defeated them at the Battle of Britain You never saved uswe did! The Yanks turned up late (as always), and didn't even get involved until the Japanese smashed your navy at Pearl Harbour (which, btw they copied from the Royal Navy attack on the Italian fleet at Taranto.) Get your facts right! You HELPED save France, Holland, Beligium, Chinaall kinds of countries, but we saved our own asses.
Did you know that the Royal Navy carriers in the Pacific advanced ahead of the US Navy carriers to help protect them from kamikaze attacks? The Royal Navy carriers had steel flight decks, unlike the wooden decks on US carriers so they were better protected if hit. So your Navy hid behind ours.
You didn't kick our asses in the American Revolutionyou didn't even become Americans until the Declaration of Independence was signed. You were British Colonials led by mostly British Officers. The British beat the British, technically speaking.
The British Army is undefeated in war since then The US Army had Vietnam and would have had a few more defeats if it wasn't for us watching your backs -ingrates.they've got some catching up to do LMAO.
Oh and warriors? Did the Americans ever have those? Just the Native Americans. We had real warriors, when warriors were needed. This is the era of the SOLDIER - there is a difference!
Crooked teeth? Pasty faces? You reading the dicitionary of stereotypes or something you fat, loud, obnoxious American? See? I can do it too!
I'm English. You don't have a countryit's just a group of statesand they aren't countries either.
As for your SOF being better than anything we have? I still don't see any proof from you. You're a troll and an uneducated moron