Ending change?
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uboru-2 — 15 years ago(November 26, 2010 01:25 PM)
I remember seeing this movie when it came out and the ending had the team treading water and the submarine submergesindicating that they won't be rescued and Charlie Sheen says "Gentlemen, I believe we've been had"
Recently saw the movie on TV and the ending shows the submarine coming up and the team laughing in the water..so, were there 2 endings made to the movie or was it just cut to make it more acceptable to the public? -
myk-harwood — 14 years ago(June 25, 2011 04:35 PM)
Are you speaking from experience?
Did you notice, btw, how you completely contradicted yourself in your first paragraph?
Either way - doesn't really matter
I think we might be straying off topic a little ;o)
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myk-harwood — 14 years ago(July 02, 2011 07:41 AM)
Hmm - that's not the kind of experience I meant
" won't help a person pay better attention."
" will help a person not be so easily distracted out of concentration."
I see a contradiction there
Less prone to distraction = improved ability to pay attention = improved concentration.
"On a normal prescribed dose, ritalin enables your brain to not be so easily distracted. It allows your brain to function in a normal cognitive way."
Whose brain? My brain? Your brain?
I get what you mean in that an ADD/ADHD sufferer (rather than just anybody) is better able to ignore distraction and stay focused on a task when given Ritalin - Better focus = longer and deeper attention span = improved concentration.
I never meant to suggest any kind of "magical attentive gift," as you put it, rather that somebody with a short attention span / poor focus / poor concentration would be much better able to pay attention to the movie they were watching, and remember its details, if there was ritalin in their system, than otherwise.
The more ritalin taken, the greater the focus obtained up until "focus" starts to teeter over and look a lot like OCD.
The tipping point into full blown drug-psychosis with hallucinations and paranoia is very high though and usually only appears after sustained abuse of the medicine.
I guess it depends on what we mean when we type: "Too Much Ritalin" yeh?
Using completely arbitrary numbers;- ADHD kid takes no ritalin - misses half the movie
- ADHD kid takes normal prescribed dose - enjoys movie as you or I would
- ADHD kid takes two days worth of ritalin - fixated on screen
- ADHD kid takes two weeks dose of ritalin - Crankenstein
When I typed " too much " four messages ago, I was thinking along the lines of number 3).
Last point to make: Ritalin does not make an ADD/ADHD sufferer's brain function more like a normal one - Just makes it seem that way to us on the outside.
Myk
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myk-harwood — 14 years ago(July 15, 2011 03:49 AM)
Most of what you've typed there just seems to be the same as what you sent before
The point I was trying to make, in questioning your "experiance" of the drug, is that no matter how much information you read / watch / hear / absorb about pretty much any drug, you can still never know what it really feels like to take it - how it affects the way you think and act so on.
I admit that I, myself, have only minor experiance with various speedy type drugs, but I do remember very, very well how it made me feel - how it felt as though I could focus all my thoughts, all my attention to the intensity of a laser beam. All the rest of my knowledge (?) comes from reading, studying and discussing such things with the motorheads I met in rehab.
Now; Direct responses:
"You need read between the lines. By helping a person not be so easily distracted, doesnt mean the person pays better attention the he/she normally would."
I really don't get why you keep on typing that? Surely being in a state of attentive concentration is the direct opposite to being all flaky and distracted?
"IE, if someone is taking Ritalin just to help them focus for an exam or something it isnt going to help in reality."
Yeh, I know that much - That to get the best theraputic effect from the drug, it needs to build up to a certain level in the patients body, like how anti-depressants work, yeah?
"Taking an overdose of ritalin, ie 'too much', has been medically proven to cause hallucination, ie 'seeing things that arent there'. It doesnt have to be chronic abuse, it can occur after a sole overdosage."
Like I said before - depends on how big the overdose is. One extra pill taken on top of a day's normal dose (only on that one day - not everyday), while still being "too much" , isn't going to make someone hallucinate.
On that note, none of the coke heads or speedies I've met have ever talked about getting hallucinations, except for sometimes, right at the end of a prolonged binge.
"The point you are missing is that Ritalin isnt only taken by people that need it. Duh."
I wasn't trying to claim that it was - I apologise if it seemed as though I was.
Duuh!
"For a ADD/ADHD sufferer, Ritalin does in fact make the brain function more like it should, chemically."
I don't see how that can possibly be the case? I don't know what kind of metabolism ADD sufferererers have, but surely, taking any kind of amphetamine (or similar) will make it go faster?
"Its not a masking drug or euphoric drug, it supplements normal reactions in the brain that affect cognitive skills. There is not compounding effect of ritalin, there is the dosage required by volume to bring the brain chemically in balance. Taking more and more, doesnt give you more and more focus."
It must do, up to a certain point that is?
Consider this: Little Myk has a raging case of ADD, so to try to help him, Dr. Retread prescribes ritalin, starting with a small dose and titrating upwards if needed. After one week on the starting dose, Little Myk comes back to Dr Retread's office and his mum says that, "he has been a little better this past week, but is still all over the place." Dr Retread increases the dose and says come back in another week and so it goes until the ritalin dose seems to having the desired effect.
A small amount has an effect, but not enough - a larger amount has a better effect, but still not enough - a still larger amount seems to work just right.
Taking even more on top of that must surely have even more of an effect, like any other kind of speed? The improved attention span and focused concentration keeps increasing way past where it's supposed to be and starts to seem more like OCD - I'm as certain as I really can be about this without taking handfuls of pills myself, as I've heard about it several times, from several different people. One young lady I met said that at first it was great, that she could pay attention in class, get her homework done without standing up and wandering off every few minutes and so on, but when she started taking way too many pills it almost seemed as though she became a "slave" to her focus. "Slave" might not really be the best word, but it's the one she used - she talked about times when she would sit for hours, sometimes all night, tweezing the little hairs out of her legs - she'd completely lose track of time and would often carry on tweezing long after there was nothing left to tweeze, or she'd spend a whole day tidying up her room, vacuuming and dusting and polishing over and over and over.
"No matter how much gas you put in the tank, that by itself doesnt give you horsepower, your fuel injectors can only spray so much fuel into the intake no matter what."
Yeah, I know that - that there are only a certain amount of receptor sites in the brain for a ritalin molecule to bind with and once they're saturated, then it wouldn't matter how many more pills you took, the effects wouldn't increase any further.
I guess the point I've been trying to make here -
myk-harwood — 14 years ago(July 02, 2011 07:55 AM)
Something's just occurred to me that I really wish I had thought of sooner.
What is Ritalin most commonly used to treat?
ADD and ADHD
Attention-Deficit Disorder and Attention-Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder.
Attention-Deficit
(Just in case I'm wrong about "most commonly used to treat" , I'll qualify the remark by pointing out that those two disorders are the ones most commonly associated with ritalin by the general public)
Myk