The police totally messed up this one, didn't they?
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Archived from the IMDb Discussion Forums — Reservoir Dogs
Gonsaro — 9 years ago(September 30, 2016 02:07 AM)
The police knew about the details of the plan, yet these were the results:
-Some civilians killed
-Some cops killed or shot
-Even with the setup, all of the Dogs, except perhaps Mr Blue, escaped the jewellery store with the diamonds. Maybe they let them escape on purpose so they could meet Joe Cabot in the warehouse. If, however, the police only showed up because of Mr Blonde's shooting of the civilians, they were still incompetent enough to let them all escape.
-One of the cops was captured, tortured and killed
-The undercover cop got killed
-The undercover cop killed a civilian
-Probably numerous of witnesses traumatized (in the scene where Mr White is about to kill the cops in the car one can see a child in the background)
-At least two cars got stolen
-And for all of this, they didn't even get the price alive: Joe Cabot -
stevekaczynski — 9 years ago(October 15, 2016 08:01 AM)
Well, they got him dead, if not alive. And probably it was the end of Cabot's gang, but it is questionable whether this goal was worth the cost. A painful police enquiry with some heads rolling (Holdaway, Freddie Newendyke's handler, might well be one of the people forced out or disciplined) is a likely outcome.
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stevekaczynski — 9 years ago(October 16, 2016 07:14 AM)
The smartest cops in this are the ones tailing Newendyke as he joins the prospective jewel robbers. One remarks that you have to have rocks in your head to work undercover. An accurate description, as events reveal.
Plenty of cop shows, admittedly more often in TV than films, give the impression the police are nearly infallible.
CSI
, for example.
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stevekaczynski — 9 years ago(October 17, 2016 03:09 PM)
Good question, although they are pretty common in films too. I think films have a different approach to them - a more cynical/realistic one. This is a film about a police operation that is basically a screw-up. Now, this is Tarantino's first film and there is a touch of indie about it, but even a mainstream one like
Con Air
only has one policeman who has any kind of brain at all, and indeed some of the others in that are up for the Darwin Award. TV series on the other hand are more respectful.
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purplebear17 — 9 years ago(October 26, 2016 10:14 AM)
It was weird for me watching heat and seeing Al Pacino's cop character hug one person that was not a love interest or other cop especially since I saw him hug a person in a strange half non fiction/fiction movie calling looking for Richard. Seeing him hug someone in person while not playing a role made that scene in Heat more touching and Al Pacino's character seemed pretty nice and cool for a cop.
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DusterJ79 — 9 years ago(October 20, 2016 08:54 AM)
The police were going to watch and observe what happened until Mr. Blonde began to kill people.. Why did he kill people.. it's unknown, but him trying to kill people jumped the police into action of trying to stop him from killing people..
Could be he saw something outside which led him to believe it was a set up, or maybe he just enjoyed killing people.. I doubt it was he just enjoyed killing peole..
They were waiting for Joe, that was the whole point of the sting, they wanted Joe Cabot dead to rights, but when he didn't show up at the warehouse it kind of screwed things up.. and they continued to wait and watch. -
stevekaczynski — 9 years ago(October 21, 2016 08:33 AM)
Blonde doesn't like alarms. His tip over into insanity does seem to have been a surprise for everyone who thought they knew him. Perhaps four years in the pen made him like that. Whether Cabot showing up was vital to the police, I don't know.
"Chicken soup - with a beep straw." -
stevekaczynski — 9 years ago(October 22, 2016 02:02 AM)
He did seem unsurprised by him torturing the cop. In fact "Nice Guy"'s casual shooting of the cop suggests he himself has similar propensities. Joe was a little reluctant to have Blonde in the gang, at least wanting him to rest up after prison, but Eddie pushed for him to be told about the diamond heist. Which was an error. Although this thread is about the police messing up, there were two big errors by the gang -
SPOILERS- Letting an undercover cop into the gang - Joe admits he was not "100%" about Orange, and he was the only one he did not know from before.
- Blonde's erratic personality, which turned a heist into a bloodbath.
"Chicken soup - with a beep straw."
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DusterJ79 — 9 years ago(October 23, 2016 07:20 PM)
I don't recall the movie ever going into details about why Mr. Blonde began to kill people.. just that he did. The movie makes it seem like he was highly professional in previous jobs, atleast the little bit you actually find out about his past.
I just assumed he started killing people because he saw something outside which spooked him.. He does claim he some of the hostages were moving when he told them to remain still.. (watched the movie a few years ago so my memory could be fuzzy. -
DusterJ79 — 9 years ago(October 23, 2016 07:18 PM)
I remember either the undercover cop or the cop that blonde kidnaps mentions they the police are aware of the warehouse but aren't going to move in until they see Joe..
I could be mistaken but I seem to remember one of them saying that, which explains why it took them so long to actually move in.. -
stevekaczynski — 9 years ago(October 24, 2016 01:20 AM)
The injured undercover policeman says he was sent into the team to "get Cabot". It looks like they are waiting for Joe to show up but he does not, until the end, which stymies things.
"Chicken soup - with a beep straw." -
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qmdt — 9 years ago(December 01, 2016 05:58 PM)
The movie is very unrealistic. As one of the actor (real life former career criminal, Edward Bunker-Mr. Blue) did point out many absurdities in the film.
Audience can just ignore that and enjoy (if you can) the movie as a raw crime movie with very original ideas.