Its almost 2014 and still no Batman film has come close to this.
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GameofMoans — 10 years ago(December 12, 2015 12:16 AM)
TDK & TDKR have more plot holes than any movie I can think of. TDK has its moments but of the whole I'd say it's pretty average. The action scenes are filmed poorly and are very unimaginative(oh gee another car chase, yay!). Not one scene in TDK can match the graveyard scene in MOTP. that's pathos ladies a gents. Bruce begging at his parents grave for everything to be ok? Come on. Nothing even close to that in TDK.
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ignas-emaitis-857-185488 — 11 years ago(July 08, 2014 04:29 AM)
"The Dark Knight is the greatest Batman movie of all time" < I lol'ed
polls top, the popularity meters, praise doesnt matter anything,as the most people have unrefined taste. You know what always topping the polls and popularity meters? porn movies.
TDK was just Nolan stealing material from Burton's movies, putting them in a moderan realistic spin, formula-produced hollywood garbage and making the good eye candy out of it which has nothing to do with real batman. With added pseudo-philosophical babble of a mental ability of 12 year old, ending with someone getting shot or killed in a poor attempt of making the film look more "deep" or mature, and saying this is the greatest Batman movie because of all this is quite immature.
Ironic because TDK fans are the ones sometimes calling TDK for being more mature then previous movies.
Overall TDK was pretty boring. Yeah this was not even a batman movie. -
nicos21 — 12 years ago(February 28, 2014 11:02 AM)
I agree. The series contains the joined best Batman (with MK) best Joker and best Alfred.
For a cartoon this is pretty flawless and it's the most moving Batman interpretation.
The Tim Burton films are my favourites even though they are dated now but the Christopher Nolan ones will be dates in 25 years too.
I wouldn't say this is actually "better" than the fore mentioned films though because it's unfair to compare live action and animation.
The Christopher Nolan films and Tim Burton ones are almost too different to compare really, although I prefer the Burton ones.
The acting in the new films is better overall however. All mentioned versions are very good though.
The hype machine these films is more prominent today than in the early nineties that's for sure.
Everyone has to appreciate the 89 Batman broke new ground and was the first thing to properly show Batman the way Bob Kane intended it to be. I personally believe he'd much prefer Burton's films and the cartoon over Nolan's. -
T-eschberger — 9 years ago(August 14, 2016 11:12 AM)
I can't help but feel that there is a lot of bandwagon jumping when it comes to Mask of the Phantasm.
Nobody remembered it was a thing for ages and then all of a sudden it gets rediscovered and people who fancy themselves "real" Batman fans use it a tool to act high and mighty over the plebs that think Nolan is the end all, beat all of Batman.
That's not to take away from the quality of the film, but this whole thing reeks of dick measuring and it's pathetic.
For the record, the only Nolan film I like is Batman Begins. It's still my favorite Batman movie. Then comes, Phantasm.
My point is, stop acting like jerks about what you prefer. -
Shockwave1242 — 9 years ago(October 06, 2016 12:29 AM)
As one of the people that "rediscovered" the film years later (in my case is was 2012 when Rotten Tomatoes did a few articles recapping the theatrical Batman films in pairs), and has indeed held it as my favorite Batman film upon watching it, I agree.
I really love Mask of the Phantasm, but I also like the Nolan trilogy, and the Burton films for that matter. One film's greatness doesn't determine another film's beep They can all be good and beloved.
Now, I can see why people would side with MotP like this. The film's the underdog when it comes to best Batman film discussions, so when people watch and like it, they wanna push it above and beyond everything else. Animation's uphill battle in regards to being taken seriously as mature entertainment plays a part in that as well. However, that doesn't justify getting in this big dick-measuring contest. They're all enjoyable films, and we can all like them.
My personal rankings go:
GOOD- Mask of the Phantasm
- Under the Red Hood
- The Dark Knight Returns
- Batman Returns
- The Dark Knight
- Batman '89
- Subzero
- The Dark Knight Rises
- Year One
- Gotham Knight
- Batman Begins
- The Batman vs. Dracula
- The Killing Joke
- Batman vs. Robin
- Batman: Bad Blood
BAD - Batman v. Superman
- Mystery of the Batwoman
- Son of Batman
- Batman & Robin
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Milk_Tray_Guy — 9 years ago(October 06, 2016 03:01 PM)
Animation's uphill battle in regards to being taken seriously as mature entertainment plays a part in that as well
That's generally true. That said, the DCAU (of which MotP is a part) is hugely respected in terms of overall quality and for dealing with some very adult themes and issues.
All for a box of chocolates