Irish are the only 'colored' White people?
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kespla — 19 years ago(October 03, 2006 03:28 PM)
I do not know who that was trying to insult as I am not Irish or American, but English. I detest nothing more then you unionists trying to call yourself british when you are infact a bunch of backward looking imperial leftovers who we should of shot long ago and I am glad the IRA done what we were going to do anyway because we do not want Northern Ireland.
Now cobble along you british-wannabe mick because we english have more respect for the Irish then we would have for a bunch of inbreds who THINK they are british. -
allen-butler — 19 years ago(October 03, 2006 04:59 PM)
Well It seems my friend was correct in informing me that a very loud and obnoxious troll was pawing around on this board. Good to see really as persons such as yourself do bring color to the world. Differing points of view and all that.
Interesting, Didn't you say your Family is from A. Dublin, B. Belfast, and C. Derry ( note: in true Plastic Paddy fashion I have chosen Derry over London derry) I daresay my friend your place of birth and lineage make you a son of erin. So if you are to be takin the piss of Irish people then you are yanking yourself around as well.
Now dont fret lad as you are obviously in pain as to who you are and how you feel about it. I believe there is a group or two that can help you with that. Your philosophy and out look are just the enlightened viewpoints these organizations are looking for. Try your local DUP office, or perhaps you might find some nice cuddly understanding souls in the UVF. In either case I'm really not caring about your pitiful whining self.
You're Irish, not British, get over it or get on with it.
Cheers
AL
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jkinsella — 19 years ago(October 06, 2006 06:23 PM)
My maternal grandparents were born in Norwich, England and Edinburgh, Scotland; paternal both in Dublin, Ireland (incidentally, under the British Crown, so they were British at birth). I was born in Northern Ireland, UK. I have a British passport. So what nationality do you say I am?
I consider myself British first, Irish second. You know, like many claim to be American first, Irish second - or vice-versa (what's good for the goose). I dislike the centuries backward-looking Irish Republican mentality, and choose to live in forward-looking London where I am welcomed without any prejudice or ill-feeling (contrary to an earlier reply to me).
Is this getting too complicated for you? Clearly everything is so black and white in your world, no room for grey. You're either one thing or something completely opposite, nothing inbetween. And all the rules apply to everyone else. Thought of taking up holy orders? -
ithinkiheardashot — 19 years ago(October 10, 2006 08:27 AM)
The former largely a nation of bitter, backward-looking, religiously-retarded and dogmatic alcoholics, the latter mostly a nation of historically ignorant, arrogant and (increasingly) fundamentalist sheep. But, specifically, combined as mostly revisionist Irish-Americans they may just be the most useless contribution to human development and advancement this world has ever seen.
I find it very laughable that the user later actually tries to say that it wasn't racism he just posted because his dad was born in Dublin. WTF?? Thats like me sayingI hate black peopleand then when people call me a racist I simply say thats not true because my father is black! LOL.
The guy is obviously a Flamebaiter/Troll. But it matters little, as his racist insults will be removed from the board anyway. (Along with his account if the admins deem it as gross racism) -
ithinkiheardashot — 19 years ago(October 11, 2006 12:51 PM)
Not dissimilar to signs that can still be found in all manner of establishments in America, a country worshipped in Ireland. Hypocrisy?
You lot really are full of ignorant and ill-educated rubbish.
"no irish" signs still in america? WHAHAHA liar. If that was true those "establishments" would be sued to the last penny in a heartbeat.
a country worshipped in Ireland. Hypocrisy?
So because a portion of the american population used NINA signs in the past that means that the Irish are hypocrites for liking the US?????? Good point!
That means that japan cant be on friendly terms anymore, because americans of japanese ancestry where interned during ww II in the US. Same goes for the Italians. Hell I think that GB should stop kissing the US's ass because of the US war of independance, in which Loyalist americans where treated with "brutally".
The dutch cant be friendly anymore with the germans because of wwII
The belgians cant be friendly anymore with the dutch because of the belgian war of independance.
The list goes on and on
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peteandurnot — 18 years ago(May 22, 2007 05:50 AM)
I dislike the centuries backward-looking Irish Republican mentality<<
The history of those times and the thoughts and opinions of those who lived in those situations at that time are, I do feel, important to learn from, and when I say 'learn from' I mean from the mistakes and the negativity and never-ending road to nowhere that sort of hatred can lead to. But the problem is that soooooo many people keep holding on to the hatred of those times and keep going on about events that happened years and years ago as though they only happened yeaterday. If one was really badly affected by those events at some points in their Lives then I think I can understand the animosity, and as I believe Sinn Fein, the DUP and other included factors from those times show, its possible to smooth that animosity over( even though not completely) and move toward a new era of Peace. But I have no time for people who never experienced any of the difficulties of that era, and yet like to act as though they did and come on to these boards acting like 'proud-republcans' or unionists.
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July-Leo — 19 years ago(October 14, 2006 01:20 AM)
Allen-Butler,
Persons Like kinsella have their own
interpretation
of Living up North.
Once you hear a Northerner call County Derry 'LondonDerry' thay says it all really!! true
He may have a 'British' passport but he lives on the Island of 'Ireland' currently owned by Queen Lizzie on a piece of paper.
I know many 'Northerners' who claim themselves to be 'Irish' regardless of having a British passport or living in Belfast, Derry or any part of the Northern Ireland.
I've lived in UK with friends and have been accepted by English without problems. Basically me and my friends were..
welcomed without any prejudice or ill-feeling
And why not???
As I said people like Kinsella have their own interpretation of being from 'Northern Ireland' regardless of having parents from the Republic'!!!!
Kinsella made his own choice/decision whatever you want to call it!!!
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allen-butler — 19 years ago(October 16, 2006 09:52 AM)
Hi LouthChick, Yeah I know the guy is a troll. He also has made his particular, or should I say peculular ( spelling ) decision as to where he thinks he is. I simply was pointing out that he is using foolish arguments to make his case.
Now as to Derry, I have always called it that. My friend from West Belfast does as well but then again he is of nationalist bent so it goes with the thinking I guess. Actually I have a question for you if you would'nt mind answering.
My friend from Belfast has a relative in England who has invited him over for a stay. I told him he should go and check it all out but he was concerned that his nationalist viewpoint might cause some trouble. ( He's not a supporter of the IRA )****
Anyway, as you seem to have had a good experience I wonder could you tell me " what does one say when the topic of nationalism comes up in England? " He's a good lad just doesn't want to cause trouble is all.
Cheers
AL
" Whack Fol da Diddle " -
July-Leo — 19 years ago(October 23, 2006 05:39 AM)
Hi Al,
I don't know if this will answer your question.
If I were in England I wouldn't go mouthing off as I am not stupid!!!
But I would argue a point if necessary, definatly!!!
If I were in a pub lets say and the end of the night came and say they were playing the ''British National Anthem'' I would stand up out of respect!!! (Not because I wanted to) I am in their country and I would expext them to do the same in mine.
I have myself been in that situation and I stood and my UK friends have done the same here.
The best thing to do is not to talk about politics or those negative feelings elsewhere!!!
''There are no coincidences only patterns we do not see'' -
allen-butler — 19 years ago(October 23, 2006 10:23 AM)
Thanks, Louth Chick. I spoke with my friend last night and he's gonna go. He is going to try and keep a low profile as much as possible. He has family to help him get along so I'm happy for him. I honestly believe that it will be great for him to experience. I can't say as I personally have ever had any desire to go to England, but then again I have not had any reason either. However, politics aside, I think that for my mate to go and see the everyday people, will be enriching for him and hopefully give him more perspectives as to his beliefs.
Thank you again
Cheers
AL
" Whack Fol da Diddle " -
allen-butler — 19 years ago(October 26, 2006 09:18 AM)
Sooo HotRodder, you would'nt be someone I used to talk with from England now would You? Your style looks the same is all. If you are not please dont take offence, I just used to have some lively debates with her on the Barley board a while back and she wrote much like you do.
Cheers
AL
" Whack Fol da Diddle " -
james-1959 — 19 years ago(November 10, 2006 12:54 PM)
If you're talking about a race of people being butchered and colonised, then I would say that you are definitely and completely wrong in your statement. In fact, if you checked your history you would see that the English themselves were twice invaded, conquered, slaughtered and ruled by both the Romans, and the Normans.
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jkinsella — 19 years ago(January 17, 2007 04:35 PM)
Now I know you really are full of crap, MouthChick. Trying to portray yourself as if you would honour the Her Majesty and Her Subjects so gallantly and respectfully despite what you clearly think of your cousins (thats right) and everything they stand for. Yes, the national anthem is played in pubs all the time in Britain - and everyone dutifully rises to their feet..in cloud cuckoo land, that is. You must be confusing the real Britain with some stereotypical Hollywood movie complete with the obligatory quaint vicar, lovable idiot (i.e. Huge Grant), stick-wielding bobbies on the beat atop old black bicycles, and red telephone boxes. And of course, a handsome/pretty American who strides in to change everyones lives for the better..
I could not think of anything less likely to happen in a mainland-British public place these days than rising en masse for a rousing rendition of God Save The Queen, including in a public house, apart from during state functions and official occasions such as Remembrance Sunday, when we celebrate Britain and (most) of Her Commonwealth standing up against mass-tyranny and racism while - during two world wars at least - the Irish leadership/government couldnt care less (copyright Bono; Im paraphrasing of course - did you like that?). (Parenthetically, I seem to recall learning about how certain Irish leaders welcomed Nazi representatives to Dublin and offered some assistance to defeat the British and subsequently let Nazi agents operate from Irish soil, which must have heartened good old Joe Kennedybut I digress.) It is not a lack of national pride per se that precludes British flag-waving at leisure (apart from our small white-supremacist element), more that the British find flag-waving such an unusual and non-British thing to do - again, unless the occasion demands it. They are probably alone in that in the entire world, and it demonstrates a complete comfort with who and what they are: no complexes or national neuroses here. No need for jingoism or macho assertion. Indeed, the almost complete lack of this attitude is the subject of an ongoing public debate in relation to increasing Scottish and Welsh nationalism and a growing interest in national symbols in parts of their communities. If you knew anything at all about Britain you would know this of the place today. But clearly you do not: try watching the BBC.
Whenever I meet someone from non-British shores resident in the UK I always ask them what they think of the place out of pure personal interest. I get one answer above all: tolerance. MouthChick makes the place sound like it is dangerous to have views which do not accord with the locals. The best thing to do is not to talk about politics or those negative feelings elsewhere!!!. So, MouthChick, you are either lying or you have never stepped foot in the place. Oh, and by the way, you said "negative" views. Freudian slip? -
jkinsella — 19 years ago(January 17, 2007 04:47 PM)
allen-butler, do not criticise my spelling of a place name when your only argument (sic) is one of choice of recognised usage and when you seem incapable of spelling even basic English words. Makes you look like an ignorant, unreconstructed tw*t. Especially when you write in your attack peculular ( spelling ) decision. (sic).
Thats peculiar, allen: bad spelling decision there. Learn how to spell you idiot.
By the way, nobody in Britain will give a damn about the political viewpoints of your friend. If you ever come here you might find that out yourself. Even while IRA bombs went off in London, Manchester et al you never heard of British people attacking, avoiding or ostracising Irish people - even the nationalist/republican Irish. But you lot think of me as a "traitor" because I choose to call myself British and I do not wish to be associated with the incurable Irish disease: i.e. victim-hood over centuries-old events yet a refusal to accept acts in your cause today.
So who are the bigots here, the "Brits" or the "Micks"?