'Fouled the ball'?
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saloonytoon — 15 years ago(June 07, 2010 01:01 AM)
I is used more commonly in the USA, and is obviously used with an eye to the american market
American here. Sorry, never heard of it in my life.
The only American equivalent of "fouled the ball" in that context would be "played dirty", as in a pitcher illegally putting dirt on a baseball or scuffing it up before throwing it to make it unhitable.
..the idiotic cock-eyed flum-dummery! -
rice-1 — 15 years ago(June 17, 2010 04:38 AM)
you only have to google the phrase 'fouled the ball' and you will see that it comes up with more american references than Gaelic.
British and Irish films are full of these nods to the american market. This film is fiction based upon some facts.
What ever happened to Gerard Conlan - did he return home after being released and was he welcomed by his former republican firends ? just wondering.afterall he gave up the names of others when the rest of the Guilford Four didnt - maybe he was the victim of more serious ear twisting.the devils. -
rice-1 — 15 years ago(July 08, 2010 03:58 PM)
you dont have to live in the states - use Google and you will see all the exmples that come up are American / baseball related.
Another sop to the international market - this fictional film was a republican fairytale. -
jjmensch — 14 years ago(November 15, 2011 12:52 AM)
I'm American, I hate baseball, but the only time you'd EVER hear "fouled the ball" would be in the context of "he fouled the ball off" or, more likely, "he fouled the pitch off".with pretty obvious meaning if you've ever seen a baseball game.
There wouldn't be so many people (read: Americans) here asking what it meant if anyone had any clue.I know I had to look it up and when I did finally get the right combination of words and parentheses in Google, I realized it was a Gaelic football term when numerous links to the rule book for that sport came up.
And a "foul" is typically a basketball term, here, but you don't foul the ball (you can't "foul" the ball, in fact, I don't even know what you would call certain penalties in basketball such as double dribblingwhich would be the equivalent of "fouling the ball" in Gaelic football), you foul a player or commit a foul. Just like everyone's said. In American football, this is known as a penalty (there is a "personal foul" normally reserved for severe penalties involving poor sportsmanship, or illegal hits) -
daimposter — 13 years ago(May 20, 2012 02:12 PM)
In baseball, 'foul ball' or 'fouled the ball off' means that the ball was hit out of bounds.When the batter swings at a ball (a pitched ball), there are 3 things that can happen: swing and a miss (strike), the batter hits the ball into play, or the batter hits the ball foul (out of bounds - the pitcher must throw again).
It does not mean any sort of penalty and therefore is not the same context as in the movie.
In basketball, you do have fouls. But you never 'foul the ball'. You commit a foul, which is a penalty. In American football, the term 'penalty' is used but technically the rules state 'a foul was committed' and a penalty is the punishment. -
Stevicus-2 — 10 years ago(January 18, 2016 04:54 PM)
you dont have to live in the states - use Google and you will see all the exmples that come up are American / baseball related.
I googled "fouled the ball," and the first few links were references to "foul ball" in baseball, which is different from "foul
the
ball."
Besides, in baseball, a "foul ball" happens by accident. It's not an intentional thing, and it's hardly considered "cheating" or "fighting dirty." So, it's not the same context as Gerard was using it in the movie.
Technically, I suppose one could "foul the ball," if one poops or pees on it or gets it really messy.
Another sop to the international market - this fictional film was a republican fairytale.
You think Reagan or Bush might have had something to do with this film? -
kellehc — 16 years ago(October 08, 2009 04:00 AM)
Oh my god, do you morons need everything to desend into the realms of disambigutety, he's talking about Gaelic Football and the term to 'foul the ball' means he either took an additional step before bouncing or solo-ing the ball while in possession or he pick the football directly up off the grass without flicking it up into his hands with his foot. Both are fouls in the sport Gaelic Football that are termed 'fouling the ball'. Gaelic Football is one of the most popular sports played throughout the island of Ireland (and in pockets of Britain, the US and Canada) Gerry and Guiseppe are from the island of Ireland and that is the sport being refered to. Not an Americanism and nothing to do with impressing NORAID(?) you odd bigoted throwback rice-1.
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rice-1 — 16 years ago(November 01, 2009 01:44 PM)
this is not a term used commonly in Britain but clearly a term used more often in the States and used for effect and empathy with an american audience. Try and find ONE use of this term on British televisionyou wont.
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michael_charles_Reed — 16 years ago(December 28, 2009 09:01 PM)
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/time-to-cry-foul-1481062.html
http://sportsrules.50g.com/gaelicfootball.htm#fouls
http://homepage.eircom.net/~lahardanemchales/about.html
There, Thats THREE pages that I just pulled out of thin air without any effort at all of Gaelic Football using the word "foul" in regards to the rules several times. I hope we can put a fork in this issue and you can learn to shut your mouth about stuff you know nothing about. -
rice-1 — 16 years ago(January 03, 2010 05:48 AM)
thankyou for proving my point..
not once did these articles refer to 'fouling the ball' that is a mostly americanism when refering to fouls, which is inserted into non american films in a sycophantic attempt to please the american audience.
Of course we have fouls in Gaelic football, rugby, football and a hundred other sports.but you will not here the commentators of Match of the Day refer to a player, 'fouling the ball'.
thanks again for posting those helpful references. -
doublejake — 16 years ago(January 19, 2010 09:29 AM)
"Foul the ball" is most assuredly NOT an "Americanism" it is not commonly used in ANY American ball sports.
In American football, you can "commit a foul," you can "foul another player," you can "commit a personal foul."
In baseball, you can "hit a foul ball" or "hit a ball foul" or "foul out" or hit a "foul tip" or "foul off a pitch" but the term "foul the ball" is rarely if ever used.
In basketball, you can "foul another player," "commit a foul," "commit a technical foul," or "foul out" (with a very different meaning than baseball).
In NO American sport is the term "foul the ball" common. Anyone who thinks the term is a common Americanism is grossly misinformed and needs to double-check the source of the misinformation. -
ag67-182-841889 — 10 years ago(February 25, 2016 07:50 AM)
I always just assumed it meant the authorities had "rigged the game" as in framed them all for the crimes committed by withholding evidence etc.
Never heard this expression used anywhere else though apart from in this movie.