It seemed an incredibly drastic plot to have a crazed rapist murdering college girls in the film when the only real purp
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Archived from the IMDb Discussion Forums — Malice
paul-bastiani-2 — 17 years ago(September 18, 2008 10:51 AM)
It seemed an incredibly drastic plot to have a crazed rapist murdering college girls in the film when the only real purpose seemed to be to get a sperm sample from Andy and thus showing he was sterile.The whole psycho story disappeared very suddenly.
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peytonplace1 — 17 years ago(October 02, 2008 08:00 AM)
I thought the rapist/killer sub-plot was brilliant. It sent the audience periodically off in a different direction, wondering how it would all pan out. It was even posible to wonder if Andy or Jed was the killer.
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RynoII — 16 years ago(October 18, 2009 10:46 PM)
I don't thinkt the killer subplot was brilliant cause we still had no idea why he did or what was going on there, or who he was. Misdirection subplots are only good if you provide reasons for who the characters in those subplots are and why they behave how they do.
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residentevil6901 — 9 years ago(November 30, 2016 10:18 PM)
Lol why does any serial killer do what they do? Do you always get a why answer from insane maniacs? I love how some of you people act like something like this with the serial killer couldn't be going on at the same time as the main plot. Come on, we had to get Jigsaw before he was Jigsaw didn't we?
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TheManInOil — 17 years ago(February 16, 2009 03:48 AM)
It doesn't 'disappear'. The killer was aprehended - what more is there to tell?
It also shows Andy's character to be surprisingly more determined and capable than one might suspect upon first meeting him, which is important later on. And it establishes his friendship with a cop, for when he needs to set Tracy up.
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Captain_Bob — 17 years ago(March 20, 2009 08:43 AM)
To "TheManInOil"
is your name a reference to The Circle of Iron/The Silent Flute by any chance?
http://www.imdb.com/board/10078975/
By the way I agree with your assessment of the subplot serial killer janitor in the basement guy. It played some meaningful and relevant purposes in connecting Andy to the lady cop and the Andy-is-sterile plot twist plus the question mark about either of the main guys being the campus killer. Great suspenseful/intriguing movie with a nice early 90's feel. -
tychrisbrown — 17 years ago(March 01, 2009 12:43 AM)
I think looking back its awesome that the rapist happened to be an actor who surpassed that role and went on to be somebody we all "Saw". I am pretty sure it was none other than the actor who playedJigsaw! Awesome looking back.
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Doom — 17 years ago(March 02, 2009 08:26 AM)
Also, watch how the actor who plays the killer (Tobin Bell) 'bumps into' the college student (Gwyneth Paltrow) when she is leaving Andy's office (I think Bell is carrying a file cabinet).
And she ends up being the next victim
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KrystelClaire — 14 years ago(June 12, 2011 12:09 PM)
I like the subplot concept. I mean all the time, it got me thinking that either Alec Baldwin or Bill Pullman were the murderers. It also created links between Bill Pullman and the police officer. It was a red herring, but it was OK. Real life can be mixed, confused and with plenty of coincidences as well.
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Grammaw_Oddree — 13 years ago(November 29, 2012 08:51 PM)
That is called a "red herring"
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mischimaus — 13 years ago(December 09, 2012 03:15 AM)
I hated the subplot too. Too me it seemed like a way to fill the 90 or whatever minutes. It was a perfect movie without it.
Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level then beat you with experience.
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ShannonTriumphant — 13 years ago(March 30, 2013 09:06 PM)
I thought it worked well, got you looking in the total opposite direction instead of at Jed and Tracy. Imagine the film without this subplot; you'd be wondering: "Okay, which of the three is the killer?"not good.
It pushed Andy to become tougherand he did catch the guy.
Either way, you got one of the best fight scenes ever. Instead of the usual one punch-and-they're-out, he nails the guy in the groin, the gut, then on the head at least twice with a giant fire extinguisher, with one last toss onto him for good measure. THAT is how you win fights, not by letting the guy get back up!
I also love Bebe Neuwirth's speech to Andy, after this, about how beep just happens to youyou're like Job!" (his comeback, "You have lots of luck talking people off ledges?" is great). But it starts Andy down the road of dealing with some of the ways he's being pushed around.
She deserves her revenge, and we deserve to die.