You're certainly not required to like the movie, but I think the real problem is your lack of knowledge of the old west
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Chloe1251 — 10 years ago(February 13, 2016 02:15 PM)
Love the Keyboard Warrior video.
Even though I'm a lonely, bitter douchebag who has no desire to get "punched in the jaw" I still have to address one final thing:
Slaterson: There are many movies I've thoroughly detested (that means "Hated a whole bunch") but I've never felt the need to go to their forums and give my uninformed, uneducated opinions, which consist of - basically - "This movie sux!" without being able to articulate
why.
If I did I would expect to get the same reaction, or worse, as you got here.
I tried to be civil when pointing out that you're misinformed and merely suggested you might do a bit of reading to rectify your ignorance. Your reaction is to talk about punching someone in the jaw?
Yeah, well - Bilwick's your huckleberry! -
A_Real_Hip_Dude — 10 years ago(February 15, 2016 09:20 AM)
Well thank you for referring to me as an intellectual, but since I'm not then we could consider this a case of the mouse looking up at the cat. The Good the Bad and the Ugly is not a modern movie, nor is that what I'm saying. What I am saying is that it was steeped in some of the tropes and traits of what was popular for westerns at that time (actually started by those very spaghetti westerns). I love all the Eastwood Italians and others, too, but they stray far from what is grounded in the reality of the old west to create an aesthetic that suits their creative desires. Nothing wrong with it at all, but it's probably the main thing that sets it apart from a movie like Tombstone. One is it's own divergent-reality western setting, while the other shoots for a very real world western setting (which Tombstone did very well).
I'm not sure why you feel the love story was shoe-horned, and since it was a real aspect of Wyatt's life at that time it seems appropriate to include; not necessary, by any means, but certainly fitting. And for the record, no one knows for sure exactly how close Wyatt & Josie became while in Tombstone, nor how open/hidden the relationship/flirting was, but it was happening concurrently with the rest of the Tombstone happenings.
As far as the moustaches, I just don't see it. They're real, they look great to me, and of course, are very accurate to the time.
And to offer a little insight to your comments on the Wyatt/Billy Bob moment, Wyatt would not have been known by the way we know things now, but back then many of the gamblers moved from town to town, working where the mining and cattle trade was booming, allowing them to thrive off the spoils of the local industry. So, many gamblers in Tombstone had come from Dodge, just as Wyatt had, and it would be completely plausible for them to know who he was. BUT, at the same time, without photos and internet, if a gambler came down from Leadville or Deadwood, or somewhere else that Wyatt wasn't living, then they most likely wouldn't know who he was, so that can be played accurately either way. But as far as Wyatt's treatment of Johnny Tyler, it is not far off the mark, but more importantly was indicative of how he handled people back then. It's a big part of why he earned his reputation. He was no nonsense and seemed to have no fear; he was known on many occasions to walk right up to someone and handle business the way he felt best. It's why so many of his peers held him up so high. He even commented in an interview that the best way to handle a trouble maker was to locks eyes and stride right up without breaking confidence, and then as he put it "then I knew I had them". It was literally his modus operandi. -
Slaterson14 — 10 years ago(February 06, 2016 08:14 PM)
Wasn't funny the first time, are you one of those guys at a party who when you try to be funny and everyone ignores you you just repeat it louder and louder as if it makes it funnier? You should audition for SNL you'd fit right in.
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reckless_life — 9 years ago(December 08, 2016 03:30 AM)
To be honest most westerns are boring. They're usually about people fighting each other for petty reasons.
I've watched The Good The Bad and The Ugly, Once Upon A Time In The West, The Wild Bunch, Unforgiven and Tombstone.
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Bilwick1 — 9 years ago(December 08, 2016 01:04 PM)
"They're usually about people fighting each other for petty reasons. "
Really? Can you give some examples of "petty" reasons? I've never noticed this in any of the westerns I like. I mean, if you're a rancher, keeping someone from stealing your cattle isn't exactly "petty." Or if you've got a town terrorized by bad guys, fighting to get rid the town of the bad guys isn't "petty."