Cursedchild13
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imaneassi — 9 years ago(December 04, 2016 07:18 PM)
No, she just decided to fight for him thinking that
maybe he
dumped her when he hung up on her.She had no confirmation that he broke up with just the possibility and decided to act on it.And that's why she corrects him as soon as he claims that he thought that they were broken up, that she dumped him. Rachel suggested a break and broke up with him only after she found out he cheated. -
ppllkk — 9 years ago(December 04, 2016 02:15 PM)
Immy
Think about a teenager saying to their parents, "I kinda had an accident with the car."
Or "I am kinda pregnant."
It is an idiomatic English usage that you may not be familiar with that is an attempt to soften what is being said, not to deny its truth. -
ppllkk — 9 years ago(December 19, 2016 01:02 PM)
NatalieWoodForever
wrote:
Yes, they were on a break,
No, they were not on a break, they were completely broken up
and they both acknowledged that.
They were broken up because Ross thought that Rachel was with another man, so it was not just a fight that they could reconcile from quickly.
On the break or broken up issue, I refer you to
imdb.com/board/10108778/board/view/262716652?d=262716748#262716748
and to the links in that post. As the poster said, "This has been discussed to a sick degree," and there really isn't any question about it.
Don't be misled by Ross's tagline, "We were on a break."
That was not the issue at the time of the break.
I think it was a joke that the writers played on the audience. Quite a successful joke.
but Ross wasted no time going to bed with someone else.
You make it sound as if Ross was looking for sex. He wasn't. He tried to ward off Claire but he neither had the energy nor a good reason to do so. Rachel was gone. Their relationship was over.
but I think he should have either not have slept with Chloe,
Easy for you to say. You do not seem to be able to imagine Ross's mental state. There is no reason why he shouldn't sleep with Chloe, and he thinks it will make him feel better. It will certainly make him feel like less the victim and still desirable.
or just admitted his one night stand to Rachel when she came over to his apartment the next day.
Rachel would've reacted the same way if Ross had told her because that's the way she wants to react. And Ross had a very accurate view of how Rachel would react which is why he doesn't tell her. -
ppllkk — 9 years ago(December 21, 2016 02:30 PM)
NatalieWoodForever
wrote:
but it doesn't change the fact that he gave in to Chloe's advances.
As would almost all men under those circumstances.
Why do you think that Ross shouldn't have given in to Chloe's advance? Rachel is gone for the foreseeable future and is involved with another man.
Also, Rachel said she needed a break. She didn't say "we need to break up".
Ross did not end up in bed with Chloe because Rachel said, "a break from us.
Please try to understand that. Rachel's calling for a break set the stage, but it was not why Ross ended up in bed with Chloe.
Ross ended up in bed with Chloe because when he called Rachel's apartment right after she had called for "a break from us," Mark was there.
Ross came to the conclusion that almost all people would under those circumstances and that would be correct 99% of the time. That Rachel was having sex with Mark and leaving him for Mark.
A person would have to be really nave or in denial to not come to that conclusion.
Again, please try to understand.
The break issue is completely phony.
That was never the issue at the time. Both Ross and Rachel acknowledged that they were broken up, not on a break.
Ross
: Dont you realize none of this wouldve ever happened if I didnt think at that same moment you werent having sex with Mark?
That
was the issue, not something about whether or not they were on a break.
That
was why Ross ended up in bed with Chloe, not because he thought they were on a break.
Ross
: Look, I didnt think there was a relationship to jeopardize. I thought we were broken up.
Rachel
: We were on a break!
Ross
: That, for all I knew would, could last forever. That to me is a break-up.
Rachel
: You think youre gonna get out of this on a technicality?
Ross
: Look, Im not trying to get out of anything, okay. I thought our relationship was dead!
Rachel does not repeat the break thing because she knows that it's not true. She had already told Monica that they had broken up.
Rachel does not deny that they were broken up, but she describes their being broken up "as a technicality."
They both thought that they were broken up. You can, of course, believe whatever you want to.
P. S. If Ross had
not
called the apartment, and he had ended up in bed with Chloe, I would agree with you. But Ross did call the apartment
and Mark made his presence known.
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