Why did they killed claudia and the woman?
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Talamasca2 — 10 years ago(December 08, 2015 09:59 PM)
Armand wanted Louis for himself. Armand thought he could replace Claudia in Louis' affections if Claudia were gone, so he influenced Louis to make Madeline. But with Madeline made, Louis still didn't leave her to go to Armand. (Madeline was with them for weeks in the book.)
Armand wasn't going to lose out on being with Louis, so he had his coven kill Claudia and Madeline. In the book, after setting fire to the Theater of the Vampires and slaying the entire coven, Louis leaves with Armand and travels the world for years. But, as shown in the movie, Louis was changed in the making of Madeline and heartbroken by Claudia's death. Eventually, Louis left Armand and settled back in New Orleans. -
manubhatt3 — 10 years ago(December 09, 2015 08:49 AM)
I really appreciate u answering my query, but I think you are mixing d book and d movie.
I am really looking answers w.r.t. d movie only.
So, I think Armand didn't influence Lious to make Madelyn, Claudia did, as seen in d movie. And as soon as Madelyn was made a vampire, they were abducted.
Rest of what u told, makes sense. Thanks -
Talamasca2 — 9 years ago(May 08, 2016 07:04 AM)
I really appreciate u answering my query, but I think you are mixing d book and d movie.
I didn't mix up the book and the movie. I gave you the answer from the book.
I don't believe you can fully separate a film adaptation from the source material. So much is cut out and replaced with things that
look cool
, that the true motivations are muddled and lost.
The end result is often: Uh, it just happened that way?
Louis was incredibly depressed, and guilt ridden over the killing he had to do to survive. Making another vampire, even for Claudia, was something he just wouldn't have done.
Armand: But if it's any consolation to you . . . surely you realize I had a hand in it.
Louis: That I did it to be free of Claudia, to be free to come to you . . . yes, I realize that. But the ultimate responsibility lies with me!
Armand: No. I mean, directly. I made you do it! I was near you the night you did it. I exerted my strongest power to persuade you to do it. Didn't you know this?'
Even after making Madeline, Louis wouldn't leave them. He would not leave Claudia. Louis stayed with Madeline and Claudia for weeks.
Louis: But what holds you to 'the Theatre des Vampires?' I asked.
Armand: A need, naturally. But I've found what I need,' he said.Why do you shun me?' Louis: I never shunned you,' I said, trying to hide the excitement these words produced in me.You understand I have to protect Claudia, that she has no one but me. Or at least she had no one until . .
Armand: Until Madeleine came to live with you. . .
Louis: Yes . . .' I said.
Armand: But now Claudia has released you, yet still you stay with her, and stay bound to her as your paramour,' he said.
Louis: No, she's no paramour of mine; you don't understand,' I said.Rather, she's my child, and I don't know that she can release me. . . ' These were thoughts I'd gone over and over in my mind.I don't knew if the child possesses the power to release the parent. I don't know that I won't be bound to her for as long as she '
I stopped. I was gong to say, `for as long as she lives.' But I realized it was a hollow mortal cliche. She would live forever, as I would live forever. But wasn't it so for mortal fathers? Their daughters live forever because the fathers die first.
So there Armand was made to understand that Louis would never be his, unless Claudia and Madeline were out of the picture entirely. Lestat showed up at the Theater des Vampires, begging Armand's help. Lestat was just looking to drink Armand's blood, to help him heal from the fire. But Armand kept Lestat weak and starving to force Lestat to testify against Claudia.
Without knowing all that, when faced with the question,"Why did they kill Madeline?", there is really no answer.
Using only the movie, knowing Madeline was new to the blood, knowing Madeline was innocent of any and all crimes against other vampires, why did THE COVEN kill Madeline, and only imprison Louis, who was obviously guilty of aiding and abetting Claudia?
Uh, it just happened that way?
I stopped. I put my hands to my face. I tried to think it through again.
(If you want to do this, just reread the last two pages.)- Lestat, Memnoch the Devil (Anne Rice)
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SoAudreyHepburn — 9 years ago(April 24, 2016 09:41 AM)
Armand ordered his coven to kill Claudia (I'm sure they hadn't known that Madeline existed until they got there). The covens reason being as told by Santiago that there is one one rule that all vampires must abide by;
never kill your own kind. The punishment for that is death.
That was just the excuse that Armand needed, he wanted Louis to himself, he knew that even if Claudia left with Madeline that his heart would always be with her. So he told the coven to keep Louis buried in a box so that he'd be still alive while Claudia and Madeline would die. My guess, he thought that Louis would get over her death but it didn't he mourned her the same way he had mourned his wife and daughter's death when he was human.
The difference from the book than the film was that Louis did leave with Armand even after learning of Armand's role in Claudia's death. They traveled the world together, but in the film Louis rejects Armand because of Claudia's murder.
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cookiela2001 — 9 years ago(July 10, 2016 01:42 PM)
Well, i was there that night, and the book doesn't even adequatly describe what happened basically shall we say there was a lot of confusion? Yes
The Madeline lady had 2 chances to get away but wanted to stay with the girlchild it was curious -
KingBrian1 — 9 years ago(October 25, 2016 09:39 AM)
Not sure about the book but in the movie it was to avenge the killing of a fellow Vampire that is why all three of them were detained and Armand came to Louis's aid. At the beginning of the scene we saw Armand stay behind a door while he allowed the coven of Vampires lock them up and earlier he had a conversation with Louis about how he saw the other Vampires as decadent. This was the final act in the show in which Louis would wash away the unclean Vampires and usher in a new era of righteous Vampires. So Louis refusing his offer of becoming his companion really took Armand by surprise.