Y'all are making me uneasy…
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angryskorpion-44260 — 9 years ago(September 07, 2016 07:32 PM)
I completely agree with you! We Americans are seriously beep up in that regard. We idolize Edgar A. Poe who married his FIRST COUSIN when she was TWELVE and then convict a person of pedophilia for sleeping with a 17 year old the day before her 18th birthday. Like 18 is some magical number that transforms a person overnight! Females are physically ready to procreate at 13. Complaints should be addressed to mother nature.
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SnoozeAlarm — 9 years ago(September 08, 2016 12:48 AM)
The main thing that I hate about threads like this is people who say: "anyone who interprets this movie in such-and-such a way must be a closet pedophile" or must have any kind of deep psychological disturbance. It just takes a certain kind of sadistic tendency to try to imply that people do, just because of how they interpret a movie scene.
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angryskorpion-44260 — 9 years ago(September 08, 2016 01:01 PM)
The bitch about is that almost EVERYBODY on Earth has had thoughts about minors. Whether it's a great looking actress/actor in a movie or someone you see in person. It's physiology. Not that long ago women got married and had children at 13. Nobody ran around screaming PEDOPHILE at those people. Watch the movie "Far From Home". A 14 year old Drew Barrymore was all sexed up for the role. This was done INTENTIONALLY by the filmmaker. And i'm supposed to feel like a pedo for having thoughts about her?? Yeah..right. I would bet my own life that Drew wasn't even a real life virgin when she made that movie! Now, abducting a minor and forcing them to do things is a different matter. That is psychotic.
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MELlSANDRE — 10 years ago(October 23, 2015 06:50 PM)
You sound like you have a broom up your butt. Yes, Mathilda loves Leon. She TELLS him she does, unless you watched a watered down version more suited to you. And I am a girl, not a pedo and definitely, infinitely not as ridiculously offended as you by cinematic art.
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DFC-2 — 10 years ago(January 25, 2016 05:00 AM)
Considering that Luc Besson impregnated and married a 16 year old, I think there probably is some kind of lolita fetish subtext in this film.
Excepting, of course, that:
They never married and were both independent adult (16 years of age under French law) professionals before and after their relationship
Maiwenn was 5' 9" tall, looked like and was considered an adult, was independent and successful as an actress, and sought out Besson for a relationship, rather than the other way around. Hardly childlike in appearance, she plays the adult prostitute in this film and Plava Laguna in
The Fifth Element
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Neither Portman nor her parents, who were closely involved with everything from the initial reading of and changes to the script, to the actual filming on the set ever saw or felt any such vibe or exploitation of any kind.
Neither Portman nor Besson nor Reno saw the relationship as sexual. In early interviews promoting the film, Portman described her role as a child mistaking paternal love for romantic love. Besson described the relationship as two lost children, emphasizing the contrasts of experience, size, strength, and dominance/passivity, with no sexual component at all. Reno wrote that, even if they had been able to stay together, his character was incapable of a sexual relationship.
The only charade Besson asked Portman to do was Gene Kelly, the Madonna and Marilyn Monroe were things she had seen on TV as a child at home and she was used to putting on such performances in front of her family, who, along with most normal adults, would see such an act by an 11 or 12 year old as funny rather than provocative.
Both Besson and Reno had daughters around Natalie's age when the film was made.
Besson is one of the few French entertainment personalities who did not support Polanski's freedom from American prosecution, saying that he should be subject to the law. -
DFC-2 — 10 years ago(January 25, 2016 11:18 AM)
If you could look back in your own ancestral past, I think you would find many such relationships where the young woman was younger than seventeen among your ancestors and they stayed married and never were guilty of anything "inappropriate and shameful," but you are welcome to despise anyone you wish.
My own ancestry includes a proper New England couple where the girl was 15 at marriage. They lived together in happy matrimony for over 60 years, and had a dozen kids who each lived past the age of 80 and had children of their own.
The modern age of consent is largely an artificial construct based in part on the state avoiding the psychological, educational, and social costs of exploitation. We are now better off by protecting young girls from being taken out of school. However, most of human existence came before there were public schools or the opportunity for a girl to complete higher education, and the age of consent was generally much lower, without the world being overrun by pedophiles. -
TxMike — 10 years ago(January 27, 2016 07:43 AM)
As an amplification of your point my mother was 15 when she met my dad, she was 16 when she married my dad who was 25. They stayed together until he died and they had 5 children, I wouldn't be here otherwise.
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DFC-2 — 10 years ago(January 27, 2016 09:51 AM)
I have two grand nieces, sisters, who got pregnant with their boy friends at the age of 15. Both are now in their twenties still living in marriage with the boys who got them pregnant, one with two sons and the other with two daughters and a son. They post pictures of their happy families and share family details among many friends who did likewise. All that they have asked of my Mother, their great-grandmother is not to judge them. My grandmother married at 16. Their grandmother married at 22, but was less mature than they were at 15.
It is easy to say they were too young to make they choices they did, but neither case was an issue of abuse, and they have made it work in ways my sister never could because of her self-involved immaturity.
Mogeary talked about fetishizing, but young people can be fetishized many ways, not least by pompous adults who view them as mere innocent babies who are suddenly transformed into competent adults at 18. Real human lives are a little more diverse. -
lanis_cupus — 10 years ago(February 10, 2016 02:51 AM)
The fact that you're so vehemently defending the director's actions with a minor calls you into question.
Yes, there were (natural) sexual undertones in the original version of Leon. And NO, under no circumstances is it acceptable to get a teenage girl pregnant in today's world.
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DFC-2 — 10 years ago(February 10, 2016 03:17 AM)
The fact that you're so vehemently defending the director's actions with a minor calls you into question.
Yes, there were (natural) sexual undertones in the original version of Leon. And NO,
under no circumstances is it acceptable to get a teenage girl pregnant in today's world
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All I have done is say that condemnation of Besson is unwarranted on the information we have, and that Maiwenn was not a minor under French law when she became pregnant with Besson. Your final statement about women under 20 (teenagers)condemns millions of legitimate relationships around the world and in your own family's past, not to mention almost certainly accusing your own government of being guilty.
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lanis_cupus — 10 years ago(February 10, 2016 04:27 AM)
In the 1800s you might have been offering a girl a life that she'd otherwise have no chance of attaining. Today's young women have social potential; they have optionsat least until someone like you comes and steals those options away by knocking them up. Steals their LIFE away.
Now if you don't mind, I have women to seduce. But I'll be back one day. -
DFC-2 — 10 years ago(February 10, 2016 07:02 AM)
Actually my wife and I got together when I was 29 and she was 26, both of us choosing to complete our educations and work as professionals before thinking about marriage. Most people throughout history are like us, even when the age of consent for girls was 12 in the middle ages.
Puberty, however, has been hitting children younger than ever in our well-fed age, and some end up making choices for themselves with people they love before the age of twenty. I wish them freedom from people like you. -
lanis_cupus — 10 years ago(February 10, 2016 11:11 PM)
Yes, and the faster physical development takes place, the slower psycho-emotional development seems to be taking placeWHICH IS ALL THAT MATTERS.
By the way, which is it? Was Leon an asexual hen or a 15 year old boy? Because those two are about as diametrically opposed as it gets.