Huge flaw
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jeffleroo — 20 years ago(September 03, 2005 02:08 AM)
This isn't a flaw.
Several times in the movie there is talk about the other cases that the TEC are currently working on. One which comes to mind is them talking about someone going back and "buying up Beverly Hills for chump change." The plot easily suggests that there are more time machines out there and that criminals are trying to use them to change the future, but the TEC is successfully stopping them. No flaw. -
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Mac-59 — 20 years ago(September 24, 2005 05:31 AM)
Back to the Future is the best time travel movie I've seen but it's far from perfect.
For one, how is it that McFly's body starts to fade out in pieces inside of just disappearing all together when it seems that his future isn't going to happen?
And when he does return to the future after his dad stands up to Biff, his family's lifestyles have changed but they still live in that crapola house.
Also, i think that if you go back in time and meet your dad, even the tiniest interaction with him will eradicate you instantaneously. George may eventually hook up with Marty's mom and have a son but it wouldn't be Marty anymore. The instant of conception where that particular sperm cell fertilizes the egg is a one in a billion shot. Even the slightest interuption from Marty would cause a change reaction affecting the exact moment when the "Marty" sperm got to the egg.
I think if you went back in time 100 years ago and even said "hi" to someone, the fabric of time, trillions of interwoven strands of actions and thoughts would cause exponential alterations maybe even leading to the deletion of the time traveller himself.
I think the movie that gets time travel as accuratly as possible is The Butterfly Effect.Even though he doesn't literally travel through time, he does affect the past. -
therach1025 — 20 years ago(January 08, 2006 02:27 AM)
Oh man, I was trying to explain that sperm theory to my sister and it was tough getting her to understand. I told her it was like a jar full of marbles (or half full so they can move) being shaken and spilled repeatedly and expecting the same one to fall out first each time you refill and shake. However the egg of the woman would likely be the same. I also noticed that "fading Marty" phenomenon. Either he's born or he's not. There's no inbetween. He either exists or he doesn't.
I should see The Butterfly Effect but my aversion to Ashton Kutcher prevents me from doing so.
Timecop is so full of flaws I could barely stand watching it. Plus, it's a really really bad movie. -
gregforttmags — 20 years ago(January 20, 2006 03:04 PM)
Most time travel stories are nonsense and highly convoluted. If timetravel was discovered, it would be far too dangerous to implement, half of humanity would be erased if you went back in time and the Milky Way would implode into a time vortex.
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bohdave — 19 years ago(June 03, 2006 04:06 AM)
I don't really understand how the ending of the movie works out. He saves his wife back in 1994 right and comes back to the future. He goes home and meets his 2004 wife and son (for the first time).
What about from their point of view? As far as they are concerned did he go to work as usual that morning? If so at what point did "their" Walker fuse together with the Walker we go through the film with? How does he explain that he's completely forgotten them? Would "our" Walker really look exactly the same as "their" Walker (hair style etc)? They didn't seem to think anything was amiss at the end of the movie.
Also I don't understand how it works when they return from a mission, the future having been changed. Take the final mission for example. Walker returns to a nice, happy 2004. McComb has been dead since 1994, Walkers wife and son are alive, so how does it work that Walker had just returned from the past when there would have been no need for him to go on the mission to begin with? When he returns he is greeted like he was just sent out on a mission, so why would he have gone out in the first place (from the 2004 personnels point of view)? It can't have been the alternative 2004's reason (to see if Fielding was in a hospital) because she would have been alive and well already in 2004 (as we see when Walker meets her in the corridor).
Ugh, why am I doing this to myself. It's just a fun action film
I may be a tiny chimney-sweep but I've got an enormous brush. -
KISSfan2001 — 19 years ago(June 09, 2006 08:30 AM)
I think that it was once mentioned in the movie that TEC cops could not alter their own future when going back (it's been a while since I've seen the movie). This is exemplified in the fact that Walker has no memory of his wife being alive after 1994 or that he has a son in 2004. Also there is never any mention of a report of the mission being filed since Walker was the only person who had any memory of the events that took place. If I remember correctly, Walker was greeted like he just got back form a mission, but there was no discussion about the specifics of the mission.
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digitalboy72 — 17 years ago(July 17, 2008 01:16 PM)
To those who think that the
Back to the Future
films are perfect, see if you can track down a series of articles (there were three, one for each film upon their release) that Starlog magazine did years ago called
The Return of the Other Marty McFly
and you'll realize very quickly that you were sorely mistaken lol.
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Spifflock_Holmes — 17 years ago(August 25, 2008 06:55 AM)
I don't really understand how the ending of the movie works out. He saves his wife back in 1994 right and comes back to the future. He goes home and meets his 2004 wife and son (for the first time).
What about from their point of view? As far as they are concerned did he go to work as usual that morning? If so at what point did "their" Walker fuse together with the Walker we go through the film with? How does he explain that he's completely forgotten them? Would "our" Walker really look exactly the same as "their" Walker (hair style etc)? They didn't seem to think anything was amiss at the end of the movie.
Yep, those are some of the biggest flaws in the film's time travel logic. Probably and arguably, either Max should have returned home with a full set of memories from that timeline, or he should have come back and found himself a stranger in a timeline that already had a Max Walker in it.The early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.
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holtman-d — 17 years ago(August 28, 2008 10:37 AM)
"Why are they even policing time travel at all? How are people going back in time since according to the characters, there are only 2 machines in existence: the one they are using and the prototype in Calverton, Maryland. Metuzak even says it out loud: "how is the senator making these alleged trip into the past?"
What about machines made in the future sending travelers back past 1994? Perhaps they are policing against this. Although, I am not sure how they send these future time travelers back to their own time, as traveling in the future is not possible for the TimeCops.
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hcadonis — 17 years ago(November 22, 2008 05:03 PM)
Also having spent the last 10 mins of the film talking to mellissa in 1994 when she got shot and he helped place her next to the young walkerwhen he travels back to 2004 and he goes home then Melissa should still have memories of that encounter as he was dressed in the uniform and looked like the walker she encountered in '94.right!?
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Spifflock_Holmes — 17 years ago(November 22, 2008 05:20 PM)
Also having spent the last 10 mins of the film talking to mellissa in 1994 when she got shot and he helped place her next to the young walkerwhen he travels back to 2004 and he goes home then Melissa should still have memories of that encounter as he was dressed in the uniform and looked like the walker she encountered in '94.right!?
Well, the problem with that is that since Walker destroyed McComb's younger self, McComb is no longer around to go back and cause those events in the past. So as far as Melissa's memory is concerned, they never happened. She's in a timeline in which they never occurred (because there's no McComb), so there's no reason for her to remember them. The mystery (well, one of the mysteries) is why Max
does
remember them.The early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.
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kimdealslover — 17 years ago(November 29, 2008 08:39 AM)
Yeah, this film has A LOT of flaws.
I mean, if history can be changed without people realising it (e.g. the agency gets shut down and nobody has ever heard of Walker), how the hell can they police time-travel in the first place?!
I know they get tip-off's every now and again with the technologybut if someone succeeds with a crime, like with McComb, it seems pretty redundant.
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sharkmanface — 17 years ago(December 01, 2008 03:13 PM)
The house was not rebuilt, after the two McCombs joined together that instanly got rid of the house blowing up and the wife dying in the timeline, it just didn't instanly happen at the point they were at so if Walker had stayed their and not gone make so quik he may have seen a rippel go over everything and putit back to normal.
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GameGeekRob — 17 years ago(December 25, 2008 08:56 PM)
They say in the film that matter cannot occupy the same space at the same time This makes no sense in explaining the results of a person touching themselves in the past/future. For one, because cells age and die technically, the future self would have different cells that those of the past self. Also, touching something dosn't mean you occupy the same space as it.
I also don't agree with the whole elimination of the two people, as well. I don't really consider anyone's physical existance unique to such ends because I believe that the Universe is vastly infinite, meaning there is an infinite amount of chances for an idividual to exist. This would mean that there could be another solar system exactly like ours in a galaxy exactly like ours on a planet exactly like ours in every circumstance. This is similar to the idea that if given until the end of time, a room full of monkeys on typewriters could produce Shakespeare.