Huge flaw
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markkosberg — 16 years ago(August 05, 2009 11:33 PM)
Good thoughts. But what happens to everyone else in point B? That's what I'm most curious abouthis boss, for example, Fielding, Ricky? Do Ricky's memories just get erased and replaced, or is he a whole new Ricky in point C? That makes sense, but what happens to Ricky in point B? Does Van Damme cease to exist in point B?
This is the only thing that makes sense. But say it isn't a new timeline (which it has to be!): how are everyone's memories erased?
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jconn426 — 15 years ago(August 22, 2010 09:12 PM)
Greetings from the year 2010!
I watched Time Cop earlier this evening. When Walker enters the timeline where the agency is being shut down, the take I got was that Walker was now just another agent to the Commander, not a personal friend. Since McComb's company made time travel possible, he must have made sure the workplace rules prevented field agents from getting chummy with their superiors. (McComb's 1994 incarnation treated his own staff member like dirt, for example, when he asked her, "Have you ever seen the inside of the Presidential limousine?" When she said no, he replied that he'd send her a picture.) On the other hand, McComb exercised his tidy influence on the resident techno-geek who now dresses neatly, wears his long hair in a pony tail, and insists on being called Richard instead of Ricky.
One thing that really got to me was how in the world would they know there was a problem with time when every change in the past instantly rippled forward to the present and seemed natural? All of a sudden now, everyone would remember McComb having a scar on his cheek for the past 10 years, for example. In some time travel stories like ST-TOS's "City On The Edge Of Forever" the time machine itself creates a sort of protective enclosure for those standing around it. They are totally unaffected by changes in time, even changes that would have prevented them from being born, or at least from being there. Thus, Kirk, Spock, Scotty, Uhura, and the red shirts they brought with them were still there even after McCoy made the Allies lose WWII to an atomic bomb-equipped Germany and prevented the founding of the UFP. The Enterprise disappeared from orbit after McCoy jumped through the machine, but then reappeared as soon as Spock and Kirk brought him back. -
midflinx007 — 10 years ago(March 13, 2016 12:43 AM)
I imagine the TEC knew there were time travel violations because they could detect the ripples like a stone in a large lake. The ripples move forward through time, but once they pass they won't be seen again. The TEC gets one chance to detect them. Anyone they send back retains memories, and the reports that are filed are the primary evidence of ever sending people back. Though there could also be corroborating evidence like strange or improbable events recorded in newspapers that happened when fixing the timeline. The agent can point to those as well.
None of which changes the ending in which there are two Walkers. But hey, since one Walker never has enough time to satisfy a woman, maybe two Walkers can. -
avortac — 11 years ago(March 20, 2015 06:42 PM)
"George may eventually hook up with Marty's mom and have a son but it wouldn't be Marty anymore."
Flawed premise.
What you are is not dictated by what the inseminator of the physical body you use did in the past, any more than what you are is dictated by what the builder of your house did in the past. -
nielw — 12 years ago(November 09, 2013 06:21 PM)
Timecop is one of those movies that simply forgoes making sense in order to drive an action story. I think this has to be one of the biggest offenders I've ever seen. Who cares that there were plot holes all over the place due to time travel paradoxesthey had a story tell!
It doesn't have to make sense! It just has to make money!
The fact that Fielding is suddenly alive again, or that JCVD comes home to an intact house at the endor a bunch of other little problems They all just went away once the story was resolved, regardless of whether or not it made any sense.
Show me a movie worse than this one that breaks its own rules and makes no sense, in favor of driving the story I can't think of any
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MadDog-ThrashTillDeath — 11 years ago(September 18, 2014 11:31 AM)
Die HArd 4 broke almost every aspect the franchise had built up to that point, making no sense and just going for the money (Robocop remake also???)
this is an action film, main attraction is Van Damme kickin as$ with a higher budget / scope this is not pretending to be 2001 space odyssey if you wanna be smarta$$es and breakdown details you'll find a lot to whine about, we could only wish be getting action films like this one nowdays- Thundering chords is what life's all about - Gerre
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midflinx007 — 10 years ago(March 13, 2016 12:49 AM)
When Fielding died in the past she was a Jane Doe in that timeline. Her 16 year-old self grew up and joined the TEC, which is now overseen by a different senator. Meanwhile the younger Walker and his wife had the house rebuilt to look like the original, which unfortunately means there are now two Walkers in the same timeline. Maybe their wife will like that.
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frankduxvandamme — 11 years ago(October 22, 2014 04:45 PM)
Why are they even policing time travel at all? How are people going back in time since according to the characters, there are only 2 machines in existence: the one they are using and the prototype in Calverton, Maryland. Metuzak even says it out loud: "how is the senator making these alleged trip into the past?"
You could go back in time and build another one at a point before the very first one was ever built and use that one in that time to travel elsewhere in the past and alter the past. Then return to that time, before returning to the original time. Perhaps that could circumvent the detection methods in the original time. -
avortac — 11 years ago(March 20, 2015 06:39 PM)
"I know it's redundant to point out paradoxes in a time-travel flick, (I have, to date, not seen one without them) but this is more of a paradox/plot mistake."
According to wiktionary, 'redundant' means:
"1. Superfluous; exceeding what is necessary.
2. (of words, writing, etc) Repetitive or needlessly wordy."
Why would it be redundant to point out paradoxes in any flick?
Isn't that what IMDb is (at least partially) for?
You haven't seen one without them? Well, try watching the ones that utilize the more flawless paradox types, like 'the predestination paradox'. The movies "The Terminator (1984)" and "12 Monkeys" actually have pretty much flawless time travel plots, with no time-travel-related faults, problems or plotholes.
So, you should watch both, that would basically make TWO of them.
Then again, you are talking about paradoxes - and in some way, talking about time travel always means talking about paradoxes, so perhaps you'd care to refine or clarify what you really mean to say. Plausible, working, flawless paradoxes are probably not what you mean, right?