It's not until the end we discover she is the main wolf, the carrieryet people still are puzzled by her, and think she m
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Ithilfaen — 19 years ago(October 04, 2006 04:14 AM)
lol what really annoys me is people who are trying to force twists into a flat movie and then looks down on everyone who doesn't share their 'revelation'!
this movie is about a guy who gets bitten by a wolf, then bites an a$$hole to get a little revenge fight going on later on and has sex with a girl and then spreads it to her. Nothing more. Stop trying to get a subtext that only smart people like you can see!
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smokehill retrievers — 19 years ago(October 21, 2006 07:34 PM)
I agree that Michelle being the werewolf has real problems as a theory, but I don't see that once you change into a wolf there's no going back. That not only goes against the long "tradition of werewolf stories, but seems to make the term werewolf essentially obsolete: you get bitten, you gradually just turn into a wolf one-way trip.
I'll watch it again more carefully, but I don't buy it so far. Nicholson seems to be the classic werewolf, turning into a beast & killing at night, and reverting to human form afterward. I expect that after a night of moonlit bestial sex they'll appear pretty much human in the morning.
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smokehill retrievers — 19 years ago(October 21, 2006 07:43 PM)
I agree that Michelle being the werewolf has real problems as a theory, but I don't see that once you change into a wolf there's no going back. That not only goes against the long "tradition of werewolf stories, but seems to make the term werewolf essentially obsolete: you get bitten, you gradually just turn into a wolf one-way trip.
I'll watch it again more carefully, but I don't buy it so far. Nicholson seems to be the classic werewolf, turning into a beast & killing at night, and reverting to human form afterward. I expect that after a night of moonlit bestial sex they'll appear pretty much human in the morning.
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Kimbywoo — 18 years ago(October 20, 2007 09:04 PM)
Remember when the Dr. Alezias (the writer) tells him the spirit of the wold can transform people too. So it was a full moon, all the earlier struggle and love of will randall that lead to her transformation.
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criddic2 — 17 years ago(June 30, 2008 04:13 AM)
The wise old man said that "sometimes" the wolf becomes permanent if it takes over the heart and soul of the person bitten. It's not a big leap to believe that could happen in a movie like this.
And Michelle's character is definitely NOT a werewolf at the start of the film.
I saw "Wolf" in the theater in 1994. I enjoyed it then, and still do when I see it now. I still think the ending battle sequence was poorly executed (some of the editing of that scene was strange and the slow-mo was a bit silly, and a dummy is so clearly a dummy when a character gets thrown.) But the rest of the movie was very nicely acted and written. The music was just right (Ennio Morricone) and I liked the look of the film. -
freshspoo — 18 years ago(August 14, 2007 09:18 AM)
If Michelle was a wolf how come she didn't have the keen sense of hearing that
Jack had. How come she was horrified when she saw Jack changing into a wolf.
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Jonthan22 — 18 years ago(September 12, 2007 04:24 AM)
She wasnt a wolf, stop being a tool.
Too many things go against that theory.
She couldnt hear her phone ringing when Will could
She didnt spook the horses (Will and Stewart both did)
She was genuinely scared when she saw the mud on Wills boots and thought that he had killed his wife, and was gonna turn him in to the Police. It wasnt until she realised Stewart had been bitten at the Police station and that HE was probably the one who killed Charlotte to frame Will, that she went back to help Will.
Also when Stewart is trying to Rape/Kill her, why did she not "Wolf out" and defend herself, she would have been ripped apart if Will hadnt saved her.
Also these arent werewolves, they dont change to and from Wolf form..these are wolves that were once human, and once you fully turn into a Wolf, you cannot change back (The doctor says as much)
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compo_simmonite — 18 years ago(October 13, 2007 09:36 AM)
She wasn't a wolf until the end. Just watch the scene again where the Doctor is explaining it all to Will. If a man is bitten during the full moon, with each new phase (quarter, half, etc.) of the moon the wolf spirit inside him will take more and more control. When the next full moon shines again, the wolf will take over completely. He strongly implies that there is no going back, once a wolf you stay a wolf.
The werewolf "bug", for lack of a better term, is obviously transmitted via bodily fluids. If a werewolf bites a person, it is transmitted via saliva into the bloodstream. It stands to reason that when Will and Laura had sex, he transmitted the wolf bug to her and it just didn't take effect until the end of the film. -
Jackfrost52883 — 18 years ago(October 21, 2007 08:56 PM)
Here is my theary, an its my take on it an not only "with taste and indivduality", my favorite quote from the movie. I really think in the begining it was either a regular wolf with some kind of special power that the wolf had in it or a human who was already a wolf. Now put the pieces together. Will got bit, then he bit the beep so called best friend, who was a real moron and messed with is head and had an affair with his wife. Then had a nice night of sex with laura and with his own body chemicals made her a wolf too, or that she loved him so much, she did not have to get bitten, but her passion for will as the wolf was enough. There you have it people.
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Jane2005 — 18 years ago(January 19, 2008 11:23 PM)
NO, SHE BIT JACK, at the start of the film, when she was in wolf form.
Nope. Pfieffer turned into a wolf out of her passion for Nicholson (like the Indian man explained was possible earlier in the movie and hence the reason that line was in the movieto explain how Pfieffer turns into a wolf on her own at the end.) Maybe you have to a be a woman to understand it.
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CASTLE-fan35 — 18 years ago(January 21, 2008 10:41 PM)
I agree. She didn't bite Jack in the beginning. What I'm thinking that's strange, is that she talked about a "brother" could it have been him who bit Jack in the beginning?
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EndLessMike2 — 18 years ago(February 02, 2008 10:47 PM)
I think you can change back.Jack with the Ameulet in the barn was fighting the wolf inside him.What the doctor said is mostly true Jack could have fought the wolf inside him to come out.But since Laura was being attacked Jack took the Ameulet off on the full moon hence changed completely.If he would have fought the wolf until morning He could have turned back to just human.
But you can't blame the OP for thinking Laura is a wolf.Most douche artistic directors will change the ending totally ignoring everything that happened during the movie.If Laura was so scared and confused about the Wolf thing why was she so calm when the police came over and so accepting even though she could use the Ameulet she acted like this was like all planned.I thought that when she made the vodka comment to the policeman in the end like Jack said to one of his workers who dranked whiskey.Her whole calmness is really apllied.
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presk8er — 18 years ago(February 14, 2008 07:31 AM)
I've tried to see where the OP is coming from in thinking this. One of the questions being thrown around I read was if she was the wolf why didn't she "wolf out" on Stewart during their fight. Maybe she didn't wolf out on Stewart because she wants Will to. By Will tossing the amulet hes giving up his chance to be normal again for her. I mean look at it like this she's in love with the Will that is the wolf not the Will whos normal. Normal Will didn't have any type of passion for life, his own wife cheated on him. If she were the wolf she would want him to stay the way he is. As far as her wolfing out on Stewart she could have control over herself to hold it back. That might even explain why she could be around animals or even the fact that those were her horses that shes has had probably for years and they dont perceive her as a threat we as Will and Stuart were just recently turned. At the police station she might not have been scared but more surprised that there was another wolf. I mean she even tells Will before she leaves his room that whatever it is he has it might just be a gift. Then look at the ending when she acts to blaze about the whole thing. Even her father he may have been one also. He just laughed a short laugh to himself. Im just saying there may be more there than just the obvious and I think thats what the OP was trying to say. There is a level of mystery in the movie. I mean just look at how MP acts during the whole thing her reactions arent that normal. When she sees Will tell his wife to hit the road she just kinda sits there with this look doesnt say a word. Im just sayin dont bash the OP for sayin it couldve been MP. They are just looking at everything. I mean it could just be easier to say what everyone is saying that he got bit, bit stewart, slept with her, and then she turned at the end. But look at the whole thing. I think it could be either way but its more interesting to go with the mystery of it. But it could just all be a coincidence or just be real cut and dry. If she was the wolf that did bite him it would be too much of a coincidence with them meeting and her father being his boss. Even the fact that she said she has an apartment for when shes even in town. That shows she doesnt live there. But again Im throwing out a lot of what ifs and maybes. This movie is awesome start to finish. Go with mystery or go with cut an dry its up to you. But there is a directors cut out there that has just about 86mins of extra footage. I think it was only available in the UK. But look at the trailer there is definatley some things missing from the movie that were in the trailer.
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crazy-vamp — 17 years ago(March 29, 2009 02:08 PM)
Nice for you to point this out.
It could also be that as someone suggested before, Laura was born this way, and so was at least a part of her family - that 'could' explain something about her brother, I think. -
BabyGirl1980 — 18 years ago(March 16, 2008 12:54 AM)
I'm inclined to agree that Laura (Michelle) was the original wolf that bit Will (Jack) at the start of the movie. As far as the 'expert' doctor is concerned, he was just going with the legends and theories. Besides, the expert was working from the theory of someone being BITTEN by a wolf-carrier, not someone who was possibly BORN a wolf. Who's to say that she wasn't BORN that way? Maybe because of that (being born like half-wolf and half-human), she was somehow able to control it. She may have been frightened by Stewart (James) at the police station because of how evil and wicked and horrible he was. Perhaps she was scared of Will when she thought he killed his wife because SHE THOUGHT HE KILLED HIS WIFE. Human or wolf, murdering someone is kinda scary, don't you think? The horses weren't afraid of her because they were used to her. She didn't hear her phone ringing when Will did because she was ignoring it/ pretending not to hear it. She didn't turn into a wolf like Will and Stewart in the barn sequence because that was THEIR fight, not hers. Males wolves will fight to be dominant in the wild to be able to mate with the dominant female, which in this case was Laura. Working on the theory that she was born a wolf and therefore able to control it, explains why she didn't transform into a wolf during the full moons. She raced to the police because Will confessed to possibly killing his wife, not because he turned into a wolf. When Jack made love to his wife, why didn't she start to show some kind of signs of turning into a wolf, if it's possible that it's transmitted through sex? Her horror at seeing Will transform into a wolf may have been due to the fact that she had never seen it happen, only having gone through it herself. Besides, the expert says if a MAN is bitten by a wolf, maybe women are better at not letting the wolf spirit take total control of them. Also, look at the fact that she was going to take him to a doctor or retreat or whatever to get him help, but then didn't because he turned full-on wolf because they weren't able to leave on time. Maybe she was kinda hoping that she could have a lifelong mate by helping Will to learn to control his inner wolf like she had learned to control it. She did seem kinda sad watching Will as a wolf run off into the wild. At the end of the film, after going through all of that, maybe she was like 'screw it' and decide to embrace some of her gifts- like super-smelling and super-hearing. She not only commented on smelling the vodka on the cops breathe then walks away a few paces while he says something to his partner, then she turns and says something about being able to smell when she was too far away to have heard what he sorta whispered to his partner. (Can't really recall how that scene goes, it's been a while since I last saw the movie.) Anyhow, I can go with either theory (her a wolf the whole time or her a wolf only at the end), but I kinda walked away from my first viewing with the vague idea that MAYBE she was the original wolf, but it wasn't until this thread that I actually really thought about it. Now I can kinda see how it IS possible that she was. Anyhow, that's just my view on it.