Predicatble twist.
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c_rys — 9 years ago(April 17, 2016 03:36 AM)
Hey, definitely get where you're coming from mjstokes, can't judge myself as I knew the twist long before I ever saw the movie. Just wanted to say I've enjoyed your thread a lot, thanks for making some interesting points & I admire you for your humility here! Love the film, by the way, personally.
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tlw013-1 — 10 years ago(May 10, 2015 02:41 PM)
I just watched it and was underwhelmed entirely. The movie was ok but nothing special. I didn't figure out the twist as early on as you but I did see it coming and had it figured out before the beginning of the boat fight.
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CharteredStreets — 10 years ago(June 02, 2015 02:55 PM)
I remember watching this in high school, I was maybe 12 or 13, which places it about 1999-2000 (I despair). I didn't know it had a twist - I hadn't seen many movies with big twists, and it was before the Keyser Soze effect kicked in and every movie tried to tack one on. At the time, it knocked me out. I showed it to all my friends, keeping quiet, and none of them guessed the twist either. It was an early lesson in not telling people a movie has a twist; nowadays I'm always guessing where movies are going (including in the cases of Fight Club and Primal Fear that the OP mentions). I can't remember the last time I was really surprised by one. Watching it now it doesn't seem as impressive as when I first saw it, but it still holds up well. I'm pretty sure if I saw it for the first time I'd guess the twist now - particularly if I'd known, as far too many people do before seeing it, that it has one.
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Fluffis — 10 years ago(June 03, 2015 06:10 PM)
When it came out, most people didn't know it
had
a twist.
It also pre-dated the widespread use of Internet and forums that could spoil things.
This movie is really the first big twist-movie of the wave of twist-movies that started in the late 90's. It's not a surprise that people nowadays can see the twist more easily, since the style of twist (unreliable narrator) has been done so many times since - for instance in Fight Club.
Most of the times, however, they rely on a more "straight" twist, so to speak. Here, the unreliable narrator is telling his unreliable story to people in the movie as well as to us, making the narration not just unreliable but meta as well.
Ironically, in a way, this movie is most likely responsible for you being able to figure out the twist beforehand.
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Stratego — 10 years ago(January 07, 2016 04:55 PM)
The Crying Game is from 1992, I wouldn't count that in with the "wave of twist-movies that started in the late 90's". In that case, we could also count Presumed Innocent from 1990 or No Way Out from 1987. There have always been movies with a twist. I agree with the poster that The Usual Suspects could be considered the start of a whole wave of that sort of movies, which was even more impacted by The Sixth Sense.
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!!!deleted!!! (2212087) — 10 years ago(June 27, 2015 11:54 PM)
I saw this at the cinema when it first came out. I didn't guess the ending. As I saw it at the cinema, I was caught up in it. Additionally, it was a Friday night after a full week's work, a heavy meal and a couple of glasses of wine, so I was rather tired.
However, I loved it and insisted my brother watch it. So we did, on DVD, and he really enjoyed it, but he guessed the ending. The showoff also anticipated the ending of "The Sixth Sense" saying that it reminded him of the short story "An Occurrence at Owl Creek Bridge" by Ambrose Bierce, which at time I hadn't read.
I perhaps come from a family of Sherlock Holmes, but the gene skipped me. I know my mum never read any Agatha Christie (but she did read a lot oh mystery type books), but any whodunnit she watched, she always knew who was guilty. -
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ragusa11 — 10 years ago(August 29, 2015 02:21 PM)
Here is what happens with these thinker movies. They get ripped off and then as time goes by they aren't that special anymore.
The Maltese Falcon was the first it's kind but when people look back at that movie today you hear nothing but that it is boring and over rated. -
Origamipaper — 10 years ago(September 22, 2015 04:35 AM)
The only way to make this twist predictable is for someone to tell you before hand 'the movie has an amazing twist you'd never guess!'
Back when the movie came out you went to the movie expecting a crime thriller.
Not a whodunnit.
And honestly, to me the Primal Fear twist was way more predictable than this one.
Nevertheless, I think Primal Fear is an awesome movie.
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markok56 — 10 years ago(October 26, 2015 05:30 AM)
I watch this movie in 2006 and it's in my top 10. But, I didn't know that movie has twist ending. I was blown away with ending. Not 'cause Keyser Soze reveal( we don't know to this day who is Soze),but because Verbal wasn't cripple and made all story. Along with No Way Out greatest twist of all time.It's easy guess twist when you know movie has famous twist.
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grayremnant1 — 10 years ago(October 30, 2015 01:41 AM)
There are 2 reasons you saw the twist coming.
1 - You knew there was a twist in it. When people saw this in the theater in 1995, they had no idea the film even had one. The fact that you knew about the vague presence of a twist allowed you to know what to look for and what to expect.
2 - Kevin Spacey has made a career out of playing villainous roles. Back in 1995, he wasn't as well known. Looking at it now, it's obvious that Kevin Spacey has to be Keyser Soze because, well, he's Kevin Spacey.
So, no, in answer to your question, I didn't think it was obvious that Kint was Soze. If it had been obvious, the movie wouldn't have garnered the prestige that it has today. People would have been underwhelmed (like you are now).
As an example of the benefit of foresight, I'll tell you this. When I watched 'Shutter Island' for the first time, I was aware that it had a twist. I had no idea what the twist was, only that it existed. Consequently, and I swear I'm not making this up, I correctly predicted the twist within the first 10 seconds of the film. Foresight can make just about anything predictable. -
mjstokes85 — 10 years ago(January 23, 2016 02:52 AM)
Thanks for all the replies, good to see I got a good debate going.
I watched this film again last night, and I did enjoy it more than the first watch.
Basically, to the 2 points above, 1) No I didn't know it had a twist before my first watch, but 2) This is what I think gave it away to me.
On the second watch I picked up a lot more clues and visuals that "Verbal" was making up half the story from the notice board and objects and I am sure there are plenty I missed too.
I think in the first watch I missed half the point. I predicted that "Verbal" was behind it all but I didn't really fully "get" the noticeboard/Keyser Soze thing until my second watch.
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Stratego — 10 years ago(March 29, 2016 02:38 PM)
I think in the first watch I missed half the point. I predicted that "Verbal" was behind it all but I didn't really fully "get" the noticeboard/Keyser Soze thing until my second watch.
I actually think that is the main twist and one most people don't see coming. As the director and actors have said, Verbal doesn't necessarily have to be Soze, it could be any of them or none of them. -
suicidea — 10 years ago(December 26, 2015 01:39 PM)
It's a great movie, with great actors, great writing, great direction, great dialogue and suspense, but everyone is so obsessed with twists, twists, twists that they're missing a great movie playing right before their eyes.
"I saw the twist coming! I'm greatz, yay, like me on facebook!" So you guessed it, good for you. But movies are more than just twists.
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theveneficus — 10 years ago(March 29, 2016 12:23 PM)
Its interesting that I agree with you 100%. I feel exactly the same way. I saw the twist coming from a mile off. This rarely happens. Their aren't very many people I agree with, despite ancient philosophers. But congratulations for earning my trust and agreement. You've earned it.