What is the best twist ending ever?
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kevinthkevin — 12 years ago(June 27, 2013 02:01 AM)
Yes, well I'd put it like this. I used the almighty power of guessing based of something I saw. You still with me? That was "10" minutes in. Pretty much as soon as we got to see Kevin Spacey (Keyzer Sze), even the name makes you think for god's sake. So all I did was keep that one guess throughout the whole movie; being convinced more and more from the things I listed. So yeah I did know who it was which pretty much ruined the ending for me, and upon speaking to my friend (that recommended I see it) he even told me he figured it out early and that the ending wasn't going to blow me away. Let's be frank, it wasn't much of a shocker at all and knowing there to be a twist makes it that much easier to actually spot it from miles away.
All I did was reply to a comment asking: how?, and all the hints were in the movie, and obvious. -
Stratego — 12 years ago(June 27, 2013 06:51 AM)
Your explanation above does seem more plausible, but that was not what your previous post suggested.
All I did was reply to a comment asking: how?
The poster you replied to asked another person how they were able to figure out the twist 10 minutes in. Only the first point you mentioned could have made you guess "the twist" (I assume you're referring to Verbal being Soze, not the twist that the whole story was made up by Verbal based on info from the bulletin board) within 10 minutes. The other points certainly could have convinced you that your guess was correct, but they couldn't have helped you figure it out in 10 minutes like your post suggested. Yes? -
kevinthkevin — 12 years ago(June 27, 2013 08:08 AM)
Well number 6 certainly did. It was the way Keaton spoke about him not being able to feel his legs, the way he recognized Sze and the way that he kind of accepted the fact that it was him. Now I knew before going into the movie that there was going to be a twist and with an intro like that the only plausible twist would be the classic twist of identities. Now I'm more of a modern movies kind of guy because of my generation so it's obvious this plot and twist has had many adoptions in other films. With that in mind the twist was clear. I did not however know that the story was made up but like the saying "in every lie there is a grain of truth", you can't expect a good writer for a movie to dismiss the fact that every story, however fictional it is, has a foundation. A foundation to be altered.
So yeah the identity of the mystery man in my head was Verbal, I knew there was a twist but not before they emphasized the importance of this 'Kayze Sze' in the plot, did it make me sure.
If you will, you can say I didn't know the twist 10 minutes in but I knew all the necessary details to put it together the moment it revealed itself so to speak. -
Stratego — 12 years ago(June 27, 2013 09:54 AM)
Well number 6 certainly did. It was the way Keaton spoke about him not being able to feel his legs, the way he recognized Sze and the way that he kind of accepted the fact that it was him.
Aha, I thought you were referring to some conversation Keaton had with Verbal instead of the "mystery man" from the beginning. But you did say it was "something you had to think about after it happened".
Now I'm more of a modern movies kind of guy because of my generation so it's obvious this plot and twist has had many adoptions in other films.
This may explain why it wasn't that "obvious" to the people who watched the movie back then and were shocked at the twist?
If you will, you can say I didn't know the twist 10 minutes in but I knew all the necessary details to put it together the moment it revealed itself so to speak.
Well, putting it together when the twist is revealed is not that strange. I assume you put it together BEFORE the revelation?
But did the fact that you knew the twist so soon honestly ruin the ending for you? Ofcourse it's a shame if you know what the twist will be, but it can be enjoyed for other reasons. -
kevinthkevin — 12 years ago(June 28, 2013 12:40 AM)
oh it didn't ruin anything, just the hype I had for the fact that I thought I'd be fooled of my original thought was a bit too much. I was convinced that since I thought Verbal was Kayze he wouldn't be. Other than that not being so I loved this movie and it's most definitely one of my favorites for being really quite clever.
I said it was something I had to think about because in my mind I was thinking "that is the face of being surprised and then relieved", it was like one of those: HA you fooled me, good one! The only one I could think of being able to do that was Verbal, and the whole legs thing of course -
Stratego — 12 years ago(June 28, 2013 04:29 AM)
I said it was something I had to think about because in my mind I was thinking "that is the face of being surprised and then relieved", it was like one of those: HA you fooled me, good one! The only one I could think of being able to do that was Verbal, and the whole legs thing of course
Okay, I get what you're saying.
I have no doubt there were people back then who figured out the twist before it was revealed. These days, it's probably even easier to see through these kinds of twists. I do agree that the points you mentioned are hints that could be noticed, I think there are probably a few more. -
thope92 — 11 years ago(July 07, 2014 12:25 AM)
So basically you took a shot in the dark, followed it throughout, and shouldn't be that impressed with yourself? It's easy to take guesses almost 20 years after the film was made, as we had the unfortunate pre-exposure of being told it's a "twist film". It was obvious Keyser Soze had to be one of the five criminals. Seeing as Verbal and Keaton were the last two left and what followed, did it come as any surprise to you who Soze was?
I found the real twist to be that Verbal BS'd his way through everything by using the board to fool Kujan. -
cewephobia_romeo — 12 years ago(October 02, 2013 10:16 PM)
I suspected him since the very first scene of him interrogated by the cops. I don't have any particular reason, but then I switched to Keaton in the middle of the movie, Keaton's girl friend near the end, and finally, Kevin Spacey again. It's an easy guess at first, but then it makes me think "no, it can't be him." and I switched the suspect..that is what kind of movie this is, it's messing around with your guess. Even if you if it's the right one.
I love this movie! -
kenneth_1857 — 12 years ago(February 08, 2014 09:07 AM)
Making guesses at the likely suspects is common. If you had heard nothing about the movie in advance, you did not guess who he was based on the intro scenes.
He did know people from the line-up, he knew Keaton. If he convinced Keaton because they wouldn't let him in otherwise, or because he knew he would need Keaton later, I don't know.
The lighter was seen in the opening scene, but it wasn't shown again until less than 5 minutes before the end.
He never spoke of himself as the devil to Kujan. He spoke of Keyser Sze as the devil and so did the other survivor.
You might have been right about a wild guess, it happens, but saying it was obvious is just plain dumb. -
ppllkk — 12 years ago(June 28, 2013 09:17 AM)
Diabolique (1955)
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