John Mason is not an English u00a3$^+@…
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Cabrone — 12 years ago(June 09, 2013 08:59 AM)
You could call him Scottish or British or a UK citizen but he's not English.
He also worked for the UK government - England doesn't have it's own government (although Scotland does funnily enough).
England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland are separate countries that together form the United Kingdom.
Britain on the other hand is the main island that England, Scotland and Wales share.
Therfore technically the people in Northern Ireland are not British but Irish (though I'd be very careful about telling that to the loyalist part of that community).
It's all a bit confusing but that's what happens when you have a history as long, bloody and convoluted as this place has. -
ZabyPS3 — 12 years ago(June 10, 2013 06:10 AM)
Sorry MovieFan6048, you are very wrong. There is no English government. He works for the British government, and the British SAS. He was born in Scotland as highlighted in the film, so the Marine is wrong to call him English. He is Scottish, or British.
I watched the movie again on Saturday night. At the beginning of the movie Mason's file comes up and the tech guy at the CIA says 'born, Glasgow?', then gives a confused look. Kinda mad me laugh cause he doesn't seem to have a clue where that was!!! It's my hometown as well
But your response highlights the inaccuracy perfectly. It is confusing, but my main point was - why did Connory, a hugely proud Scot (who will be campaigning for independence from the UK next year from his Hollywood manson), allow the line to stand?
Maybe it was deliberate to show the Marine was a bit stupid. Or perhaps Connory and the actor who said it weren't in the same shot together? Or maybe he let it slide because he got to kill the guy moments later anyway!!?
Personally, I think it belongs in the goofs.
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MovieFan6048 — 12 years ago(June 13, 2013 04:12 PM)
It's not a goof, you're basing it all on where he was born. Maybe his character had a Scottish mom and English father and he was born out of wedlock in Glasgow and then moved to England. Since all we know about the character is that he was born in Scotland and later served in the British SAS we can't assume calling him English is wrong. Maybe both his parents were English and working in Glasgow at the time he was born. I've come up with two plausible explanations and since you can't prove either are wrong within the context of the movie it's not a goof. Even though he is campaigning for Scottish independence he has played English before quite famously as James Bond, maybe calling him English was a nod to that.
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Brady5000 — 11 years ago(April 10, 2014 05:02 PM)
read my other comment on here.. its aimed at you too. Englishmen dont care about scots you are inferior in every possible way imaginable. The world dont care about scotland england dont even want you anymore.. all this time the scots have been hating the english and you dont know how to be any other way i cant wait till scotland gets its independence you'll see the difference. England is a power scotland..? nope. England has nukes stored in scotland of course just incase one accidentally goes off but they will take them back if scotland "goes free" (its already free but whatever) no nuke scotland with all that oil painting a target on your back dont look to england for help when invaders come
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Reidser3 — 11 years ago(July 18, 2014 03:56 PM)
If your message, and its appalling grammar, is an example of the English education system then I think Scotland would be better to go it alone. I would like my taxes back please because the money spent on your schooling was wasted. ABE!
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Tim-Buktu — 11 years ago(August 26, 2014 05:27 PM)
I for one -as a Yank- happen to like Scotland So please don't include us all in your rant. I do understand that you feel defensive. A thousand plus years ago your country was taken over by a bunch of French pirates. Later they reinforced their pedigree with German princes. With people like that with their boot on your throat I can see why you would Kow-Tow to your betters. And you would have to find someone- anyone you can belittle. If Scotland wanted to become a 51st state, that would be cool.
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Reidser3 — 12 years ago(June 26, 2013 02:58 PM)
ZabyPS3, completely agree and I have no idea why Connery allowed this in the movie.
MovieFan6048, you are wrong. As per ZabyPS3, there is no English government. This just highlights the issue being discussed, i.e. that the majority of Americans seem to think English = British and England = Britain. Can almost accept that ignorance but cannot understand why Connery, a proud Scot, allowed this "goof". -
Klein_Returns — 9 years ago(December 27, 2016 11:11 PM)
Plus i think Connery's face after he killed that guy showed his contempt for that line.
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MovieFan6048 — 12 years ago(July 03, 2013 11:07 PM)
Calling me wrong means you didn't read both of my posts obviously, I pointed out all we know is he was born in Glasgow but if the parents of his character in the movie were English then he'd still be considered English even though he was born in Scotland. My main point is it's a fictitious movie and not a documentary on the life of his character so we don't have a true background on him.
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spookyrat1 — 12 years ago(August 12, 2013 08:30 AM)
"My main point is it's a fictitious movie and not a documentary on the life of his character so we don't have a true background on him."
Exactly! What's this nonsense about the bad guy having his file and should have used the correct expression based upon where he was born? Rubbish! He was trying to kill him and sledged him. It was intentional and was no goof!
BTW! The bad guys didn't have any files on Mason. They just had what he'd told them and I don't recall him telling them that he was born in Glasgow. -
Reidser3 — 12 years ago(February 02, 2014 01:39 PM)
I pointed out all we know is he was born in Glasgow but if the parents of his character in the movie were English then he'd still be considered English even though he was born in Scotland.
Eh..no..he'd be Scottish. Connery is playing the part of a person born in Scotland, and he is playing that part with a Scottish accent. Therefore safe to assume his character is Scottish.
As said before I think the director is trying to be a bit political but screwed it up, confusing English with British.
