I'm anti-Daria
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blondiebear_17 — 11 years ago(December 30, 2014 07:31 PM)
You had to kind of be one of those angry outsiders in high school to get it I guess. I mean obviously Daria is very defensive judgmental and kind of rude but she has a lot of reason to be given her environment and the people around her. Daria is never painted as perfect herself people constantly call her out on her crap when she is being hypocritical Jane her mom Jodie Tom and even Quinn and Brittany can be really inciteful sometimes when it comes to enlightening Daria on how she can be wrong about stuff. Daria is just refreshing because I think it does a good job of showing what it is like when you are not quite like all the other kids your age and how that can make you come off as a little bitter and jaded. I mean at that age lots of kids think they are smarter than everyone else and that nobody gets them so I can see how this might irritate you but for some people it's real. I think even with how exaggerated the characters are and it being animated that Daria is about 1000xs more realistic than Saved By The Bell or Boy Meets World. I liked BMW as a kid but it was too campy for me to take too seriously as an adult and SBTB is basically a Saturday morning cartoon. I relish in Daria's indifference to the people around her but that is because when I was in high school I felt like everything was way too political.
RIP Cory Monteith your fans miss you dearly -
reddragonhero17 — 11 years ago(January 02, 2015 06:25 PM)
You raise some good points how some teens gather that superiority complex issues and that's what rubbed me the wrong way about this show. I wasn't exactly and angry outsider, I did have some friends that I hung out with both in and out of school but I was a little disappointed more with the freshman than the seniors. Of course no student has ever had that "perfect" high school life and mine was no exception (bad grades, demanding sports, parental pressures and bullying the last one was the biggest). I can give Daria some good points however that a least she never bullied and the Scholarship report and graduation speech did exactly make me not completely dislike her or the show, it just still couldn't get me to become relatable to it nor a fan.
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blondiebear_17 — 11 years ago(January 03, 2015 09:23 AM)
Yeah, that sort of superiority complex does bug people which is why people hate characters like Juno Maguffin and April Ludgate too although Daria is not putting on as obnoxious or immature a front as them. It is an act as much as it is real. Daria uses apathy and snark as a defense mechanism to keep from getting hurt. Daria herself has said more or less on many occasion that she rejects people before they have a chance to reject her. You really get to see how vulnerable Daria can be near the end in Boxing Daria when you see flashbacks of her childhood. Daria was withdrawn when she was a kid because she couldn't understand the other kids or get along with them because she liked reading on higher levels and not the games that they did. She had to go to counseling and her parents really butted heads on how to approach it and it caused fights between them because this added more stress to their workload at the time they were both working really hard to provide for Quinn and Daria I am guessing that kind of thing can be traumatic for a kid. Daria started to retreat into her own world by crawling into a refrigerator box in her room. By the end of it I was glad that Daria realized she needed to appreciate her parents more and that she had been oblivious to their feelings and ungrateful for a long time. Wish the moment had been even bigger but I guess they didn't want the episode to get too wishy washy. I am actually okay with Daria just being a smarter than everyone else snob but she has a lot of different dimensions to her.
RIP Cory Monteith your fans miss you dearly -
bravelikethelion — 11 years ago(January 04, 2015 09:55 AM)
You know, I rewatched Boxing Daria and I was really impressed how they tackled the issues of Daria's apathy and isolation. Considering the show was originally such a broad satire on high school and the suburbs, it really grew in to a nuanced, insightful show. I like that nobody in that episode was either the good or bad guy, and we really got to see that, at their best, Daria's parents truly loved her and learned to accept her (while still trying to encourage her to spread her wings and learn from her mistakes). I think this would be a good episode to see for people who are turned off by early Daria's more cynical undertone.
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TRhett — 9 years ago(April 27, 2016 08:30 PM)
it really grew into a nuanced, insightful show.
Yes, it did. Let's face it - high school is an easy target, so satirization of high school has to be REALLY sharp (Buffy springs to mind), or it falls flat. Like most broad satires, it took them a while to find the right "balance" for this show. By now, everybody knows that animation is a double-edged sword . . . it allows for greater absurdity and humorous exaggeration, but it can also make it easy to go too far with the characterizations and situations. Personally, I thought this was a GREAT show (and I was about as far as you can get from being a high school "outsider"), but I can certainly see why it wouldn't be to everyone's taste (like King of the Hill). After reading some of these comments, it became obvious that a LOT of people either missed the point entirely, were "rubbed the wrong way" by the characters (but apparently weren't by Beavis or Butthead???), or just didn't want to see it (in which case, why bother watching?). I saw a comment somewhere about what this show would be like if it were done today. That WOULD be interesting . . . seeing as how critics wet their pants at every TV show about an "outcast" of some sort today (I thought if I read one more thing about how monumentally, stupendously brilliant "Breaking Bad" was, I was going to lose it). -
Daria_McCloud — 9 years ago(July 28, 2016 03:52 PM)
Daria uses apathy and snark as a defense mechanism to keep from getting hurt. Daria herself has said more or less on many occasion that she rejects people before they have a chance to reject her.
I was like that in high school. Not as snarky as Daria, but I did tend to keep my distance from others out of fear that I would get screwed over if I let my guard down. I'm still like that sometimes, actually quite a bit, and my teenage years are way, way behind me. -
Caffeine-Free — 11 years ago(January 04, 2015 10:29 PM)
I struggle with this thread because it's clear you did not stick with it long enough. If you were to watch the entire series, including the movies, you would see that Daria is not portrayed to be a hero and her initial outlook is not totally celebrated at the end. There are many consequences to her attitudes and some bad choices, and a lot of growth with her character as she makes mistakes and as her friends and family call her out for her rigid, unattainable and sometimes hypocritical perspectives on life. Ultimately she softens a lot to the people around her. She maintains her individuality but without some of the pride she had before that made her so surly.
She just doesn't like highschool, and the system of their school which rewarded airheads and patronized and ostracized smart kids. The principal is totally shady and corrupt, and all of her teachers are unstable though some are well-meaning. I think she respects that but overall they're not really adept at teaching and guiding the students, something that is not unusual to a public school and to a good student like Daria would be a natural frustration. She doesn't like pop culture, mass media, etc. for its devastating influence on youth, which is totally valid and gotten even worse since Daria's time on the air.
There is a lot of substance when you go through it from start to finish. The thing you note about her family are addressed and she is humbled in one classic, moving episode to remember and realize that she was a difficult child to raise with her antisocial behavior and appreciates how her parents stood by her. How they allowed her to be who she is but she realizes she took her cynicism and bitterness toward them too far. Daria and Helen (her mom) have several moments where they grow closer as Daria finds she needs her valuable counsel and support, and Jake is her dad who is a basketcase due to having an abusive father and passive mother, but Daria and him bond too because in some ways they are really similar characters where things are always going awry for them. They really help each other out in a few episodes and those are touching episodes. Her sister she struggles with early on because she knows that Quinn is a good and smart person, but allows her shallow, peer pressuring friends to control her, which of course Daria does not believe in. But eventually I feel she understands Quinn more, and they also learn from each other. Quinn too has a very substantial story of growing up.
If it isn't your sense of humor or just not your thing, no problem. But again, if you really watch it start to finish you may see that it was done really, really well in how the characters and tone progress. -
littlelotte1410 — 10 years ago(May 19, 2015 09:42 AM)
^This. Perfect. I hate when people are so quick to make judgments about shows that they've barely seen any of. If they've seen at least 75% of it, I'll give what they have to say more credence. Until then, I can't listen to it.
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mpiccolo55000 — 11 years ago(March 28, 2015 08:29 PM)
I agree with all the replies that the original poster missed the point. She was a cynical teenage girl, yes, but she also had knowledge beyond her years. It's not easy being around other kids when kids can be so shallow, and Daria had discovered more "truths" than they had.
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RazorFriendly2 — 10 years ago(February 04, 2016 10:13 PM)
I can't take any of the complaints the OP of this thread has about Daria seriously. My reason? Because the OP cites Saved by the Bell as the more realistic portrayal of high school life while saying that Daria was just unbelievable. Let's examine Saved by the Bell a little more closely, shall we? Does anyone really think the following "realities" shown in SBTB were anything close to realistic?
The school: The school looked like a shopping mall. Spotlessly clean and in up-to-date 80's colors, This school must have been the most sanitary high school that ever existed on television.
Stereotypes: Want to talk about unbelievable portrayals of high school life? How about that group? Let's see, we have a cheerleader, a jock (who looks like a prep), a prep (who looks like a jock), a brain (who looks like a cheerleader) a geek (who looks and sounds like the worst stereotype of geeks in every movie ever made, right down to the pocket protector), and, who am I missing? Oh yeah, the black American princess (who also looks like a cheerleader). Later, the writers would add another female character who was a rebel. How do we know she was a rebel? Because she wore a black leather jacket and sneered a lot. An equally stereotypical female geek was brought in as a love interest for the character of screech.
Let's be honest. The script for Saved by the Bell was insulting to a fifth graders intelligence. Not only were these insipid characters (or should I say caricatures?)completely shallow and unbelievable, the likelihood that they would come together as a group of friends was completely implausible, especially with the inclusion of Screech, who, in a more realistically written show, would have died in a hazing at the hands of Slater and Zach, or committed suicide after being bullied to death.
High school life: I don't know anyone who had all of their classes with all of their best friends. Yet, in the bizarro universe of SBTB, there they were together in every single class. Not only were they in all classes together, they also ruled the school. Every event, every dance, every talent show was dominated by this group,if not created for it. No attention was ever paid to peripheral characters. At least on Daria, her peers were fully developed characters who often fit the stereotypes in SBTB, but they were nuanced with depth and given more substance than what their outward appearance or social ranking within high school hierarchies would indicate.
The adults: All the adults in SBTB were idiots, including patently stupid principle Mr. Belding. Even the monkey Gleek from The Super Friends had more intelligence than any of the adults on this show. For some reason, Belding was always falling for some stupid prank orchestrated by Zach and carried out by his minions.
I was in high school when SBTB first aired. I only know of the details of it because it seemed it was always on and all of my friends watched it. Personally, I never understood the popularity of that show or the people who found it funny. I thought it was offensively stupid then. It's stupid now. In fact, I think Daria was the perfect antidote for a show like SBTB, and in some way, seemed to parody the very mainstream that pop culture junk like SBTB was aimed at. I was in my early 20's when Daria premiered and I connected with it immediately. I thought it was intelligently written, and for once, it wasn't pandering to people who might have been the outcast in high school or simply didn't fit in. In Saved by the Bell, it was like the writers were saying "let's make these shallow characters seem like good people by letting someone into their clique that they would never associate with in real life.
I wasn't unpopular or unattractive in high school, but I wasn't popular or considered part of any group either. I had bullies but stood up to them. I didn't care for the jocks too much, but didn't outright dislike them either. I even tutored one in English to help him get his grades up at the request of my favorite teacher. We got along, but when tutoring sessions were over, he was with his friends and I was with mine. I knew a lot of kids that more closely fit the profiles seen in Daria than even came remotely close in Saved by the Bell. Other than the fact that Daria was a cynical, less artificial portrayal of high school life, if not shockingly accurate at times, I really don't understand what the OP's problem is with this show. If the paronizing tone, braying laugh track, and winking self awareness of Saved by the Bell is your idea of a well written and hilarious show, then by all means, watch the reruns to your hearts content. Let the rest of us enjoy Daria for the honest, and less idyllic portrayal of high school life that it really is.
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RazorFriendly2 — 10 years ago(February 08, 2016 08:07 PM)
You're welcome, and thank you. I normally wouldn't have made such a long-winded post, but felt compelled to do so since the OP compared Daria to what I considered then, and now, to be and inferior show that I could never relate to. The jock I tutored that I mentioned in my post was on the football team. He reminded me a lot of the character Kevin from Daria. His name was Matt. He wasn't a "dumb" jock, but he was no academic either; which is where I came in. My relationship to Matt was very similar to that of Kevin and Daria. We ran in different circles but there was never any malice. We just didn't really get each other. That said, Matt was someone I probably wouldn't have had much interaction with had it not been for our teacher, but he was nice as a person, not unlike the Kevin character. And that's what I like about Daria. Maybe the characters weren't people we would have chosen to hang around, but they were portrayed as humans who had insecurities and flaws no different from our own.
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furienna — 9 years ago(October 22, 2016 12:56 PM)
I will not deny that a lot of your criticism of "Saved by the bell" is valid. But I don't hate the show, even though I have to say that it's not one of my favorites either. And to be fair to the OP, he/she never said that SBTB was more
realistic
than "Daria". He/she only stated that he/she prefers SBTB's more light-hearted tone over "Daria"'s more cynical one, and that opinion is as valid as yours. And I also find it disturbing that you say that if SBTB had been "more realistic", Screech would have been killed or driven to suicide by Zach and Slater (who were mostly nice guys, as far as I remember). Sure, bullying is real and terrible. But ugh, I don't believe that "Daria" went that far either
I wonder if we're not dealing with how different personality types might prefer different kinds of shows. You simply can't relate to "Save by the bell", but the OP can. He/she on the other hand can not relate to "Daria", but you can. So you will see both these shows from two different angles and never agree
And I also have to point out that I can see why the OP didn't like Daria's attitude. She and Jane can be so unlikable at times. Yeah, I used to be an outsider as a teenager as well. And I love that Daria is a writer and Jane is an artist. But they also have a tendency to think that they are
so
much better than everybody else, which makes them seem so self-righteous. Their hatred for the Fashion Club (of which Daria's sister happens to be the vice president) is too extreme too. Of course, those girls
do
seem to be shallow twits. And I wouldn't have been friends with them either, when I was a teenager. But as for Daria and Jane, they're not above comparing them to a hydra (one of the worst monsters in Greek mythology) and making a joke about them being
executed
for being too shallow. Not cool!
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rosepetals334 — 9 years ago(November 28, 2016 01:01 PM)
I feel like when I was in high school, I could hang out with Daria & Jane. Many years later, though, I can easily see they are a bit immature, especially how they are both just arrogant people that think they are intelligent, and the way they constantly project their hatred/. There is a line between the two. Besides, does being around people that do not reach your level of what you call intelligence really mean you are smart? It is one thing to know things that people don't know and try to help them understand, but it is another when you blatantly talk down to others and not help them learn things about the world. I almost feel sorry for them because it IS possible to be book smart AND have a social life, even amongst other people like them, but I guess even that would be asking to much for them, especially Daria.
I could maybe handle being around them in small doses now. Maybe Jane has a chance, but Daria strikes me as the type of person who emotionally and psychologically remains in high school when everyone else around her grows up. I bet even Britney the cheerleader and the fashion club end up with better lives outside of high school than Daria would ever hope to achieve.
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VIETgrlTerifa — 9 years ago(December 27, 2016 12:25 PM)
I feel like when I was in high school, I could hang out with Daria & Jane. Many years later, though, I can easily see they are a bit immature, especially how they are both just arrogant people that think they are intelligent, and the way they constantly project their hatred/.
There is a line between the two. Besides, does being around people that do not reach your level of what you call intelligence really mean you are smart? It is one thing to know things that people don't know and try to help them understand, but it is another when you blatantly talk down to others and not help them learn things about the world. I almost feel sorry for them because it IS possible to be book smart AND have a social life, even amongst other people like them, but I guess even that would be asking to much for them, especially Daria.
I could maybe handle being around them in small doses now. Maybe Jane has a chance, but Daria strikes me as the type of person who emotionally and psychologically remains in high school when everyone else around her grows up. I bet even Britney the cheerleader and the fashion club end up with better lives outside of high school than Daria would ever hope to achieve.
I think that's the thing. Jane and Daria are in high school. The show is set at a time where our two protagonists are not at their most mature and at times can be insufferable aka their teenage years where things seem to be a much bigger deal than they arethough as we grow older we lose perspective on how big of a deal some things should be as well. It gets to the point where they are called out on it by many characters, including the ones that were subjects of their ridicule.
If the show stayed the way it was in season 1-3, then I wouldn't have had much hope for Jane and Daria as adults either, but I think season 4-5 and the two TV movies showed that they were beginning to evolve and mature and gain perspective. I don't see them becoming drastically different, but I can see them gaining more awareness of others and themselves, maturing, and thus tempering their self-centered perspectives and endless and, at times, mean-spirited commentary of others who they felt were inferior.
I remember that one episode where Jane was looking for Gummi Bears at that huge super store and they were chasing after Andrea who worked at the store. It turns out Andrea, with her goth demeanor and nihilistic personality was actually running away from them. When they finally caught her, it was very telling that Andrea, who I don't remember Daria and Jane really ever talking about, was preparing herself for some nasty comments from Jane and Daria and to be "cut up mercilessly" by them. Although the show didn't dwell on that too much, you can tell it took Jane and Daria by surprise and it was the show's way of showing how much Jane and Daria's "fun" was actually picked up by others and how intimidating and self-conscious it could make those who were not built to just laugh it off or who were actually conscious or paid attention to what Daria and Jane were actually saying to even be aware what Jane and Daria were saying were biting and judgmental commentary on them as people.
I also liked it when Jodi called Daria out a bit in "Gifted" when they visited that intellectually snobby preparatory school when she told Daria she needed to understand why Jodi had to act a certain way because she didn't have the privileges Daria had to just be distant and above. It was her way of saying to Daria that she knows what Daria thinks of her and she needs to be more empathetic about why people are the way that they are.
As the series progressed, Daria become more receptive to Helen's heart-to-hearts as well (and Helen also became better at them), which to me shows Daria's willingness to mature.