The shower scene
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batgrlforever — 19 years ago(July 07, 2006 09:02 AM)
Good points Tommykins-1. I actually wondered about that scene too because I would have been wierded out.then again since it was Viggo then I wouldn't mind showing off the goods.
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tommykins-1 — 19 years ago(July 07, 2006 11:37 PM)
Yeah, he was charming, wasn't he. But it's nice to have a woman verify what I assumed (about his charisma as the Chief).
But in the real world, the Chief would just be some muscle-bound thug who was making your (her) life hell. That's what she had to deal with.
"Friends help you move. Real friends help you move
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whitespirit26 — 19 years ago(July 26, 2006 06:04 PM)
Cute as Viggo is, he had no right to show her that disrespect; there are other ways of "testing" trainees. If I were in her position, I would've tried to turn away from him without appearing "weak", but I wouldn't have showed off "the goods". If it wouldn't have gotten me kicked out of the military, I would have said something along the lines of "So is this how you get your sex gratification, by peeping at the trainees? I wonder if the men like that".
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bgreenfl — 19 years ago(August 21, 2006 01:17 PM)
I think tommykins-1 is right on the money - the chief was trying intimidation, and it didn't work.
A couple of "minor" points, that is, minor if you haven't been in the service! SEALS are navy personnel, not marines. In addition, - GI Joe is primarily slang for army types, so its distaff usage in the title is a misnomer. I'm sure the producers thought it was catchy, which is far more important than accuracy. -
Gingerella — 18 years ago(December 31, 2007 12:56 PM)
By treating her exactly the way he would treat a male soldier, the MC expected Jordan to become uncomfortable and maybe cover up; when she didn't, he became uncomfortable. The scene represents a temporary power shift he is forced to respond to her (via the involuntary reaction of staring) as an attractive woman, which gives her a very basic sort of power over him. Her query to him about whether the conversation has ended (so she can put on some clothes) has the slightest hint of a taunt.
It's been a while since I saw this film, so I'm not 100% of the chronology, but I believe that this exchange is one of the reasons why he was so hell-bent to torture her in the training exercise toward the end first because she got him to show "weakness," and second because her femininity was going to be used to demoralize and break her fellow soldiers. -
MillionMonkeys — 19 years ago(September 24, 2006 09:27 AM)
I guess they both understood the importance of this sort of situation during her training. The Master Chief was quite a pr*ck to the trainees, but I believe he had their best interests in mind.
Imagine if a female SEAL were captured during wartime. I think being leered at while showering would be the least of her worries, as things could get rather brutal, don't you think? So the Master Chief is testing O'Neil, and she knows it, so they both go through with the socially awkward situation without blinking. -
whitespirit26 — 19 years ago(September 25, 2006 03:41 PM)
I wouldn't count peeping at her in the shower as a "socially awkward" thing as it was obviously something they could have avoided; he was just being an intimidating jerk. Male coaches of female basketball teams don't visit the girls' lockerroom because that sort of thing isn't necessary and neither was what he did. It was hardly a mandatory thing she would have had to get used to.