Are women strong enough to carry the gear and weapons required of a seal
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Sidewindr — 10 years ago(November 05, 2015 09:44 PM)
Who cares about world records etc. only a very very small percentage of the entire population are capable of world record feats. It makes no difference what sex a person is if they are able to perform the required functions of a job then there is NO reason for that person not to be considered for that job.
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dddmi7-1 — 13 years ago(January 05, 2013 06:49 PM)
I knew a few women in the Navy that were strong enough. I have no idea if they would be mentally tough enough to pass BUDS. But I would have to say, after serving for 23 years, there would be very few women that could pass the training. As for serving in a position where dismemberment or death is almost a certainty: you have to ask Congress and the American People if they are ready to send women into full combat.
They do it in Israelnot sure we'll ever be ready for that. -
Ithilfaen — 13 years ago(February 24, 2013 09:46 PM)
Real question is: are most men? Because all the couch potatoes, heroes in their heads that they are, who complain about the movie being unbelievable probably couldn't. So my point is: gender is irrelevant. Some men can. Why wouldn't some women be able to?
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Sidewindr — 10 years ago(November 05, 2015 09:41 PM)
The problem is people keep using the terms men and women as well as comparing the sexes.. They should be thinking in terms of "person" and if any person proves capable enough to do a job then it makes no difference what sex they are.
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YetTheSoulObeys — 12 years ago(May 02, 2013 09:36 AM)
I am smaller than she is and I can throw 115 pounds of girl over my head single-handedly in cheerleading, and then hold her there with a smile on my face. It's not just muscle that counts, it's adrenaline and determination. Size doesn't matter either; my brother is as thin as can be, but he's solid muscle and he can lift twice as much at the gym as some of the guys on steroids that look like Jonny Bravo. I believe if you are determined enough, you can accomplish anything.
I'll treat you the same way you treat me you're call.
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joekill162 — 12 years ago(August 30, 2013 07:44 PM)
Re: Are women strong enough to carry the gear and weapons required of a seal
Real question is, would a women be strong enough to carry a navy seal, or a VIP, on her shoulder/back if he was injured and unable to walk, to an extraction point, all special forces boot camp practice carrying their fellow soldier in the field, but then again you don't really that many female EMT. -
YetTheSoulObeys — 12 years ago(September 02, 2013 06:47 PM)
I weigh about 110 pounds and in cheerleading I could throw girls that are bigger than me over my head without any help. And we usually would practice for at least two hours so yeah, next question.
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abark — 12 years ago(October 21, 2013 11:14 AM)
You are being helped by the girl you were lifting. I can guarantee if they were not jumping up off the ground and using momentum you would not be able to lift them over your head.
Lifting a cooperative person is not the same as dead lifting a limp body or carrying a pack laden with gear for 24 hours. -
YetTheSoulObeys — 12 years ago(October 27, 2013 07:16 PM)
Actually they weren't. For one stunt she went from standing while we held her up, down into the splits, and I had to catch all her weight, well the other girls still held her feet, and then I had to throw her back up to standing. In another one, she was horizontal, the rest of the girls held her feet while I held her back, and I had to throw her into standing. Not to mention I carry a bookbag that people twice my size find heavy every single day. I think it was like 30 to 40 pounds; not 100 but still, my back is solid muscle.
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gaylordsmythe-higglebott — 10 years ago(September 19, 2015 09:50 PM)
I talked to a non-military EMT during career day. She was a tiny thing. 5'1". Part of her job was to extract injured people from crawl spaces that the rest of the team might get stuck in. She has hauled out people tipping the scales at 300.
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venanttout — 10 years ago(December 22, 2015 08:45 AM)
Most women can't do physically what an average man can, and what the few best strong women can do, men athlete can do better.
Exept in a PC world, there are no interest to put a woman in en elite troop. Period.
And in Isreal, women units are NOT in front line troops or direct firefight. They know better.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/may/25/womens-combat-roles-in-israel-defense-forces-exagg/?page=all -
gaylordsmythe-higglebott — 10 years ago(January 12, 2016 08:40 AM)
a) Yes, and other men can lift more than other men. Shall we bar those men? No. We give them a test and if them meet the requirements, they are in. Why shouldn't we do the same for women?
b) I never mentioned Isaeli troops, but since you bring it up, those women (and men, both units mentioned are co-ed) have been declared qualified for combat. That means potentially they can and will be sent into heavy combat. The rest of the article is politics.
My question after reading it is are there no all male units in Israel who have only seen similar levels of combat? Because this article is more U.S. representative saying we will do better when we integrate and one Israeli guy saying we are boned if we let woman enter any higher in our armed forces. I mean, we aren't told if the tank training vote failed by a wide or narrow margin. The people who decide things like this may be way more divided on the issue then you are presenting. -
xcom-22-211813 — 10 years ago(January 21, 2016 02:08 PM)
Women infantry are prone to sustain pyshical injury faster than male infantry will.
To be blunt, men last longer under the conditions soldiers experience then women can.
If you want a type of infantry that is weaker than modern infantry, cannot last as long as modern infantry, and prone to injury faster than modern infantry by all means send women in, and if you want to reduce the overall performance of your modern infantry unit, mix women into it. -
xcom-22-211813 — 10 years ago(January 21, 2016 04:13 PM)
Exactly, yet people are too busy aruging about how strong a woman can be and they miss the point of what the actual job discription is and what would be expected of the woman in actual field operations.
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gaylordsmythe-higglebott — 10 years ago(January 22, 2016 03:48 AM)
You are basing these arguments on what factual data? I'm not denying that more men are qualified for field work than women, but you completely ignoring both historical and present day examples of women working in the field.
Women work in the military police, bomb defusal, and transportation units. All dangerous as hell jobs. Then you have other dangerous field work like being an astronaut or a member of SWAT. Or other jobs with a high death toll like coal miners or loggers.
You also have historical figures like Milunka Savic who fought multiple times on the front lines.
So I ask again, what is so incomprehensible about the idea that women should be allowed the same opportunities as men to take those tests and that a percentage of those women could qualify for things like infantry?