THE PREMISE IS A CROCK !!!!!
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dvizzl — 18 years ago(March 27, 2008 08:01 PM)
All right, all right, I'll bite on this one.
What's the big deal with not allowing women into the SF's anyway? Couldn't there be at least a -chance- of a woman being strong/athletic/ enough to pass the tests? Yeah yeah, we're built differently, whatever, but who's to say there couldn't be some miracle speciman of a woman who could succeed? I mean, I've seen me some big women, and we're not talking fat.
Sure all the hype and drama of the movie helps to make it entertaining, but I think the real core point of the movie is that woman should have the option. Demi's character even says it
: Not that she would want the life that comes with passing her training. She just wants the right to choose it. Enough with the stereotypical BS, if a woman wants to try out and can succeed she should be let in. -
davidec1984 — 17 years ago(May 17, 2008 02:28 PM)
The trouble with saying "women should be given the chance" is that you spend the money taking them on these very expensive courses for the infantry, artillery, armour, combat engineer and special forces roles etc, and what happens? The overwhelmingly vast majority of them fall out, assuming the standards are the same. OK, do those few extra soldiers make it worth it? Perhaps, but they're going to be nothing more than average-to-poor soldiers who would have better careers anyway in women's sports. Plus, you get headaches about logistics - gotta pack tampons and OB-GYNs with the 5.56 now - and you get headaches about intra-unit relationships, friction, etc. The latter point should be non-existent with professionalism but it is still a niggle.
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Bladerunneru0095 — 15 years ago(January 20, 2011 12:17 AM)
I know this is old, but I wanted to say thanks for having the guts to wade in. So many people run their head when everyone is offering pure opinion, but when an intelligent, informed, confident person states fact that shuts down all the nonsense (as the OP observed) it gets real quiet. So, kudos to wading in and doing it without getting
too
snarky.
On to your comments the "big deal" with a woman being in SF was addressed articulately in the OP. Perfectly. One only needs to reread his post to find out precisely why it's a big deal. Secondly, you're wrong, there simply is no chance, none, that a woman could get through the SF training regimen. It makes neat movie fodder, and we all munch the popcorn and yell "hoo-yah" when Demi growls and does one more push-up with her cut-off, wife-beater t-shirt (frankly, I growl too). In real life, it's just like the movie, a fantasy. Lastly and more importantly though, your comment suffices to explain exactly what the big deal is, if a woman did get through it would be a "miracle" so why institute it? Do we want to have an ob-gyn on staff, sensitivity training, and all the multitude of expensive extras needed for one woman? Why deal with all the problems when it's going to be a few miracle cases (if that)? Makes no sense.
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lcskken — 17 years ago(April 09, 2008 10:11 PM)
Just so that I understand, is this the premise upon which you base your accusation? While your obvious (and vast) life experience is impressive, it would seem at leat arguably a good idea to keep in mind this is entertainment (albeit with a positive feminist twist). If we tear apart each movie on the basis you do, there would be no lawyer movies, doctor movies, or media that features a single mother as a main character. The only crock is your analysis.
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penelopedom — 17 years ago(June 17, 2008 01:09 AM)
So it seems that this film would be more realistic if a less elite branch of the military was used. That, however, is not the way of Hollywood. Everything must be amped up 10 fold in order for catharsis to ensue and money to be made. This film may be a "crock" but that is just the way the studios want it. Emotion is more important than accuracy. Controversy translates to asses in the seats. Obviously all of you saw the movie, which is all the studio heads care about. All of you are debating the topic, which is probably what Ridley Scott wanted. In any event, it is obvious that men are physically stronger than females. This is unnecessary to point out, and if a former Navy Seal says that he thinks women couldn't be part of this elite force, than I am inclined to believe him. But, why the women bashing?
" Women shouldn't be in the SF unless they are doing a mission to infiltrate my kitchen and/or bedroom."
It is completely unnecessary and offensive. Clearly women aren't as physically strong as men, but don't make such an beep statement because they are unable to to change the way they are born.
This film, while maybe a bit inaccurate, is great and raised questions and makes a person think, which is all any goo director or actor can hope for.