question about marty (spoiler)
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vagingo — 20 years ago(July 18, 2005 08:06 PM)
That's all part of the movie. Jackie-O is supposed to be completely psychotic, and the intentions of the movie is supposed to make the veiwer feel psychotic as well.
They purposefully don't answer these questions because the whole movie teeters between the delusions of Jackie and reality.
Or, between reality and the delusions of the rest of the cast.
If all the questions were answered straight out, then the movie would be
what's that word?.
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iamjessicaswastedlife — 20 years ago(November 21, 2005 02:28 AM)
i'm pretty sure the tolit flushes before marty comes back down, giving a clue as to where he hid the gun.
jackie also says at one point "if he leaves again i'll just implode." which to me means she knew she might have to shoot him again to keep him there. also if she has the gun why wouldn't she have some real bullets? she (jackie) makes a comment about meaning to kill him (marty) earlier in the movie, maybe she thought that was the only way to have him with her. if he was dead. (eww. my head just went to a bad place.) -
juviejay — 19 years ago(August 03, 2006 01:05 AM)
Hum, Jackie killed Mr. Pascal? Hadn't thought of that. It's possible, I suppose, but she would have been pretty young. And what would be the motivation? Pure insantity? Or, that he was going to leave her mother? Maybe. How did she know where the gun was? Didn't you hear her saying, "Cold!" She's Marty's twin. She can sense what he senses. Also, I think she did overhear their conversation and that gave her another clue. And, well, it is fiction. But I think she definitely kills him.
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Bunnymonsterz — 19 years ago(August 03, 2006 03:45 PM)
If she didn't kill him, why else would Leslie have run screaming out of the house like that? I think she definitely killed him and that it was premeditated. Did you see that look in her eyes when they played the game for the last time? She had tears in her eyes because she knew what she was about to do.
I wonder if Jackie is truly going to be happy now that Marty's dead. I guess it's one of those "If I can't have you, then no one else can have you" kind of things, and she'd rather he be dead and "with her" than alive and with another woman. She is totally nuts. God, I love this movie!
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PunkRockAphrodite — 19 years ago(August 16, 2006 11:41 PM)
Well, in the play she stright up kills him, no questions asked. I think she found the gun because of the whole twin thing. Like when twins have the same dreams, ofr feel one another's pain. ANd since it was Jackie O who had access to the gun in the first place, she knew where they'd be hidden.
I think the movie ends suggestively on purpose. It depends on how crazy the viewer wants to see Jackie O as. I always thought that Jackie didn't kill the dad, he just left. But Jackie got it in to her head that she killed him, or her mother killed him, and her mother, in order to keep Jackie happy, lets her believe it.
If Jackie didn't kill Marty, then maybe Lesly just ran away becuase she fnally saw how crazy Jackie was. She gave up, so to speak.
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ladywilde1980 — 19 years ago(December 19, 2006 09:39 AM)
I honestly don't think Jackie killed him, I think he left with Lesly and for Jackie to deal with it, she invented a scenerio similiar to her dads
That is my opinon there were no bullets in the gun and I doubt there were any others in the house after the first time she tried to kill Marty.
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BigGoon — 18 years ago(December 19, 2007 09:00 PM)
Wow, exactly a year since the last post. Despite Jackie's insanity, I believe her about the father. Something seems to be off with Mrs. Pascal so I can see her killing the father. Other posts have mentioned The Fall of the House of Usher, but the title also calls to mind the House of Atreus from Greek tragedy, which is full of incest, jealousy, adultery, and murder. What struck me was the very ending where it goes back to the Ides of March party. That left me with the impression that Marty, not Jackie, initiated the sexual relationship in the first place. I think that would help lead to her breakdown more than if it had been the other way around with Jackie seducing Marty.
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dengeist — 17 years ago(January 18, 2009 08:59 PM)
I got the feeling that Marty was just as insane as the rest of them. His veneer of 'normalcy' started to erode as the film went on. When Lesly confronts him with what she saw, he kinda just steamrolls over it. The 8mm clip at the end just confirms it.
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blkflmraven — 16 years ago(April 05, 2009 04:09 PM)
I agree, I think Marty's true personality started to show more and more as the film went on. We started to believe that he was much more like Jackie than he initially let on. I think he wanted to be with Jackie just as much as she wanted to be with him, or else he wouldn't have brought Lesly to the house. He used her as an excuse for why he came, but if he really didn't want to be near Jacky anymore, he wouldn't have come. He also wouldn't have stayed and played piano with Jackie, he would have gone to bed with Lesly. After Lesly and Anthony leave, he pretends to push her away, but after a few minutes he is right there with her fully involved in the game. It would have made sense that Marty would have been afraid of Jackie because she shot him. Even though she points a gun at him, he allows her to continue. He likes it.
I think Marty felt guilty about how much he liked what he knew was wrong. He said he loaded the gun with blanks when Jackie first played the game with him. I think he knew she would find the gun when he hid it, so he loaded it with real bullets so she would kill him. In a way, he was committing suicide, because he considered Jackie an extention of himself. When Lesly found out about their "secret," and confronted him, the reality sank in and it all became too real for him.
Just my own opinion.