I know Ordell is supposed to be dumb but…..
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crysjumar — 12 years ago(February 25, 2014 04:54 PM)
I have watched the beginning like 15 times and the middle up to where Louis gets shot but I had never watched all the way to the end.
I can't believe that after Ordell put so much thought into covering his tracks that he would just walk into a dark building where a woman who was scared of him (who held a gun to him before) was waiting. ending was a bit weak. How did Ordell become so stupid.
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Ironman54 — 11 years ago(April 04, 2014 11:13 PM)
I thought so too the first time I watched it but, upon the second viewing, it occurred to me that having the lights off didn't effect the way the ending went down. If every light in the office was on, the outcome would have been the same. Now, if having the lights off hid the cops so they could get the drop on Ordell, then I would have had a problem with it - but that wasn't the case.
In fact, it probably wasn't that far out of a way to set the meeting up. It was after hours, dark and its possible that the lights being on may have attracted the attention of some cop who might have come cruising up the street on his rounds, making sure all was quiet - nothing odd or suspicions going down. A cop who knows his 'beat' gets to know the habits of those along it and if Max kept regular hours, closed up shop every evening at the same time, never left a 'nightlight' on etc., it might have stood out, looked unusual to an observant passing cop- think 'The GFII' when the beat cop walks into the bar wondering why the 'open' lights weren't on - 'Hey xyz, ya open or not ?". What is missing though is Ordell not asking Max 'Why are the lights all off ?' to which Max would reply 'I thought it was a good idea - we don't want a passing cop to come walking through the door, see your gangsta looking a** standing here looking out of place could complicate things, no ?" (or something similar :-). In fact, other than for this scenario, I don't see why Jackie would have kept the lights off - its not like the other 3 weren't well hidden or couldn't have been easily discovered by Ordell had he decided to give the place the once over.
I agree that it was out of character for a seasoned outlaw like Ordell to just go walking into a dark room like he did, no doubt. But it wasn't a 'convenient' cheap way to make sure the ending worked out as it did. He wasn't surprised/jumped/attacked for this particular stupid move like say Tippi Hedren in 'The Birds' when she opened the attic door and was immediately set upon by the birds -now THAT was a stupid move written into the story line (contrivance) to set up the next gory attack scene.
I also wondered why QT bothered with that long detailed phone message from Max on Jackies answering machine land line, cell phone and beeper. Unless those numbers have some other meaning that I didn't catch, what was the point ? -
crysjumar — 11 years ago(April 05, 2014 11:51 AM)
Well, you put a lot of thought into that.
correct me if I'm wrong.when Ordell was pulling up with Max, didn't he say that Max would be in front of him @ all times.
Also, Jackie shouted "he's got a gun"One would think that instinct would kick in and make him duck or something.
I don't know, it just seems that the ending went down very easy for Jackie and the Agents.
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Ironman54 — 11 years ago(April 12, 2014 09:43 PM)
I'll give ya the part about him telling Max he was to stay in front of him but I still don't think its that odd that he would relax a bit once he was confident things looked/felt like he was the one in control and had nothing more to worry about. No one leaped out and cuffed him when he walked through the door - thats what I think he was suspecting.
The part about Jackie yelling 'hes got a gun ..' ? I would think he would stall for a second or two because he already suspected that she was cooperating with the feds. He shoots one of them, he knows hes just bought a one way ticket to the fed pen. They only had him at this point in time for bringing $$ into the country illegally - nowhere near the same sentencing as for blowing away a fed agent. I'm not saying he knew she was talking to a fed. when she yelled that but the only other players he was worried about was the law. I think that would be his first guess as to who she was yelling to, no ? Just because Melanie thought Ordell was stupid I didn't see it. A psychopath yes, plain stupid, nope. -
Ralf1 — 11 years ago(April 23, 2014 02:57 AM)
Another loose end is how could Jackie possibly gamble of Ordell being killed. Make no mistake, she absolutely needed him dead, because if he was arrested and interrogated, he might have spilled the beans about the half million, and then JB would have been on the hook for some kind of crime for sure. But what if cops did hesitate, and did not kill Ordell, what then?
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ridge-m-1 — 10 years ago(November 13, 2015 04:32 PM)
It ain't Ordell that's dumb, look in the mirror pal. The lust for lots of money has a definite effect on human beings whereby a momentary tossing of caution to the wind is totally believable within the confines of the structure of the picture.