Hey guys,
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RodneyAnonymous — 10 years ago(January 08, 2016 05:01 PM)
Here you go:
Max: You never got into the whole CD revolution?
Jackie: Oh, I got a few, but I can't afford to start all over again. I mean, I've invested too much time and money in my albums.
Max: Yeah, but you can't get new stuff on records.
Jackie: I don't get new stuff that often.
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brownrice1 — 10 years ago(January 13, 2016 10:22 PM)
Yeah, I caught it.Thanks for the link and quote, bruv. Still kind of stupified I never noticed it before o.O
In The Deep House/Disco Community, producer Trus'me sampled the vinyl dialogue & turned it into a raging classsic!
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jschott65 — 9 years ago(June 13, 2016 02:18 PM)
The morning after she's released from jail when Max shows up to retrieve his gun she took from the glove compartment. He sits while she makes coffee and she puts on music. They discuss CD's then when she's putting on an LP. I think it screams mid 90's to be honest, especially with the Kangaroo hats.
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Naughty-God — 10 years ago(January 03, 2016 02:05 PM)
No plot holes at all. You just need to rewatch this sequence.
- Jackie is with the ATF and FBI guy marking the bills (the original full $500K+)
- When Jackie enters the women's dressing room she pulls out the books and the extra bag from her purse and starts filling the ringer bag with the books on the bottom then topping them off with $40K-$50K bricks to make the bag looks full, as well as an extra $10K for Melanie if you recall their dialogue exchange.
- Jackie then puts the full $500K in another bag covering it in towels, but leaves it in the dressing room on purpose to make it appear that someone else forgot it and left it there.
- After paying for her suit at the counter she tells the retail clerk that she notices a left bag filled with towels leaving a mental marker in the clerk's head that someone may be coming back for it.
- Max appears and tells the same clerk that his wife may have left a bag of beach towels in the dressing room and the clerk mentally connects Jackie's observation and assumes he's the legit customer looking for some missing towels.
- The ATF and FBI guy know NOTHING about Max's involvement, so it was important to play out this exchange to get the money out of Jackie's hands.
I think one observation I took from this sequence was that why did the ATF and FBI guys monitor this exchange from so far away they couldn't observe what was actually going on? I'm not in law enforcement, but most stings that I've read about or observed in documentaries involve surveillance of all parties involved. Now, they do give Jackie heat after the exchange when they find Melanie dead in the parking lot, but she's mostly lucky because they probably suspect Louis as the perpetrator and holder of the missing $500K, not Jackie.
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RodneyAnonymous — 10 years ago(January 03, 2016 06:34 PM)
I'm not sure you understood the OP's question. He knows what happened in the movie. He is just questioning - reasonably - WHY those things happened.
Jackie could have taken the $500k out of her bag, and left it in her car, for Max to come pick up out in the parking lot without ever having to go inside and expose himself to being seen, etc. But here is a possible explanation for why that (or something similar) didn't happen:
Michael Keaton and Jackie discuss that there will be eyes on her at all times, EXCEPT in the dressing room. That means (likely) that there would have been eyes on her car, which would prevent her from leaving it there for Max to pick up. She could have potentially left the money somewhere in the airport terminal prior to being met by the cops/ATF (they meet her in the parking lot, remember), but perhaps she just wanted Max - someone she could trust - to have the money while she dealt with the fall out from the "failed" money exchange.
It was set in 1995, so cameras were definitely around. Perhaps they chose that location specifically because it WASN'T covered by security cameras? It would be nearly impossible to do something like that in a mall today, though, precisely because of the cameras.
As to the police/ATF being so far away - they were staged around the food court, where the drop was SUPPOSED to happen. Remember, they thought it was going to be exactly like the first time, the money being given to Sharonda in the food court. Jackie didn't tell them that she was going to be "going shopping." However, someone should have been tailing Jackie from a discreet distance, and watched as she deviated from the plan. Likewise, someone from law enforcement should have been there when she went into the dressing room, and likely would have seen Melanie going in with a bag (contrary to Jackie's story afterword).
It's not a PERFECT, airtight story, but heysometimes we have to let things slide a little if we want to enjoy a film.
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Naughty-God — 10 years ago(January 04, 2016 05:59 PM)
I don't think Jackie could have left the money anywhere else BUT the mall because Keaton had already identified the items to be used, marked and counted the bills. After that she was being tailed save for her trip to the dressing room where Melanie and Louis AND Max were waiting.
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RodneyAnonymous — 10 years ago(January 04, 2016 06:32 PM)
ATF and LAPD. No FBI involvement.
And Keaton did not meet up with Jackie until she was in the PARKING LOT of LAX. Nothing was identified, marked, or whatever until then. She could have left the money somewhere in the terminal, to be picked up by Max (or she just could have come back for it herself).
Further, if anyone was tailing her, why did they stop when she went to the dressing room? I mean, yes, they can't go IN the dressing room, but they can hang around outside, to see Louis dragging Melanie around, Melanie going in the dressing room WITH A BAG, Max going and claiming a bag 2 minutes after Jackie left, et cetera. It's pretty clear that no one was watching her or around her (remember, she came out, looking around frantically, walked all the way to the food court, then called for Keaton, and all the cops ran around the corner IN FRONT OF HER, at the food court, waiting for her to get there) at least from when she got out of her car at the mall parking lot until she went to the food court and called for Keaton.
So, yes, it's a beep operation - to the point of being a plot hole.
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j_teney1 — 10 years ago(January 05, 2016 04:04 PM)
Thanks for all the input guys. I think I can happily look past the Max pick up. Also, the agents aren't FBI and are probably are over their heads so maybe that's why no one tailed Jackie to the dressing room. The only thing that still bugs me is that they didn't check the security cameras. Maybe they were going to and that's why Jackie needed to leave at the end but I wish they made one reference to it.
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Naughty-God — 10 years ago(January 05, 2016 08:14 PM)
ATF Ray was an idiot, and was possibly really attracted to and fooled by Jackie.
The reason she took the whole $500K and the $50K was that she was scamming Ordell AND the cops. Ordell wants his $500K so he can take it and get out of Dodge.
Jackie was pulling the long Con on both parties in that she knew that Ordell wouldn't honor the Escrow deposit agreement had she been prosecuted after the failed money exchange AND she was intending for Ordell to be so enraged for stealing his money (using Max as her co-conspirator) that he would come back to kill her so she got Ray and Mark to help her eliminate Ordell once and for all.
It could also be implied that Jackie used Max for all it's worth, right?
But, you're right. Back to the surveillance thing, even for 1995 I find it very hard to believe that Ray and Mark couldn't use surveillance footage to examine past events near/around the dressing room. -
RodneyAnonymous — 10 years ago(January 06, 2016 12:03 PM)
Only Ray/Keaton is ATF, the other is LAPD. We just have to assume that there weren't security camera's in that store at that time. Otherwise Jackie's plan doesn't work. Perhaps she CHOSE that store because they didn't have cameras? Who knows. We just have to accept that there weren't any
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aios-dum — 10 years ago(January 26, 2016 04:48 AM)
They didn't mark 500K, she lied to the police and told them she would deliver only 50K, because Ordell got cold feet.
Remember when she put a load of money at the bottom of her bag, covered it with clothes and then put 50K on top? It was for the police to mark.
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NonNon_Jean-Francois — 10 years ago(March 18, 2016 08:26 PM)
No plot holes at all - Jackiie was followed every inch up to the exchange (remember the many cops in the mall?). She couldn't chance doing the exchange anywhere but where it was suppose to take place. Once she took the heat away with her after the exchange with Melanie, Max could go and casually make do with the rest
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hovercraftfullofeels — 9 years ago(May 05, 2016 03:14 AM)
Finally, some common sense. Thank you.
Also, for anyone thinking it had a 70s vibe to it, there were occasional uses of mobile phones in case you hadn't noticed.
Just because the soundtrack was retro doesn't mean the action took place in that era.