I still don't get it
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benGsboat — 11 years ago(March 18, 2015 09:04 PM)
Godzilla 2014 fans are idiots who prefer the look of a man in a fat suit
Godzilla 98 looks better than a man in a fat suit any day!
this 2014 disaster looked like a man in a fat rubber suit!
this Godzilla looks like a REAL lizard and not a man in a fat rubber suit like Godzooky 2014.
Godzilla 2014 SUCKED in every way and looked like a man in a fat rubber suit.
the 2014 version still looks like a man in a fat suit!
The 98 film is a ZILLION times better than this garbage where Godzilla still looks like a man in a fat suit!
Godzilla 98 looks real while the "original" Godzilla still looks like a man in a fat suit!
unlike the 2014 version where he was mostly absentand looked like a fat man in a suit!
Believe it or not, these quotes are since January of this year. One can only guess how many times you've made the 'fat suit' comment since
last May
. You are one troubled individual, megafauna. -
herbsuperb — 11 years ago(March 18, 2015 09:13 PM)
You are one troubled individual, megafauna.
Indeed. What's with that? I've never seen anybody try to defend such a terrible movie with such great vigor. Nothing wrong with liking bad movies. There's some bad movies that I enjoy more than most. But I would never getting into routine pissing matches with others over their merits. That's just dumb.
Sometimes I wonder if our friend fauny ever even saw a REAL Godzilla movie. -
benGsboat — 11 years ago(March 19, 2015 07:42 AM)
Sure, expressing your opinion about something (good or bad) is one thing, but megafool repeats himself in post after post. Just look at some of his rants about religion, or Jimmy Fallon, or Dallas 2012. I used to find them amusing, now they're just embarrassing.
It's quite possible that he (or she, I don't know) is experiencing the early signs of dementia.
Now, I expect to get a reply something like "NO ben, it is YOU who is demented! EVERYONE knows the new Godzilla" -
herbsuperb — 11 years ago(March 18, 2015 09:04 PM)
There were a few Godzilla films that would surely rank among the worst movies of all times. But every one of them had more heart and more style than that piece of crap '98 thing.
That being said, even you could not deny the 1954 film its rightful status as a classic piece of cinema. That guy in the suit told a FAR better story than that CGI-GINO thing EVER could. -
Dreamcatcher9000 — 11 years ago(March 18, 2015 11:17 PM)
herbsuperb
There is a guy on You Tube making reviews about video games, movies, and other things. He's a huge Godzilla fan, and has watched all the Godzilla movies, and made short reviews for each one of them.
I have watched entirely only a couple of the old Japanese movies, I don't remember much, but anyway, I watched some of this guy's reviews, which are accompanied by the movies' full trailers.
I'll take an example, "Godzilla's Revenge".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fe9v1jsN7Tg&index=10&list=PL90 ECE0E5578B6A60
I don't have to watch the whole movie. This review and trailer cover me 100%. I'm sure that you reckon this movie as "surely rank among the worst movies of all times", as you say. But still, you say that every one of them, so even this one, has more heart and STYLE than the '98 piece of crap thing.
So, if you, and every other hardcore Godzilla fan say that this movie is better than Godzilla '98, then we'll never be able to communicate. We're talking about different movie mentality here. For me, Godzilla '98, was at the worst case, a mediocre disaster movie. "Godzilla's Revenge" is an ultimate ridiculous cheap movie for kids of that era (because of course, no kid would ever watch this now). And someone could very easily say that it's trash, but I don't want to be very offending. And that's the difference.
In a nutshell, we agree on something. There is no comparison between Godzilla '98 and Godzilla '14 with most (if not all) the old Japanese movies. It's like comparing "Jurassic Park" with "The Land Before Time" (both good movies, by the way).
And closing, I haven't seen the first 1954 Godzilla movie, but I'm sure it will be good (as a movie, because that's what I care about, to be a good movie above all), a classic, easily comparable to the Ray Harryhausen American monster movies, and aesthetically unrelated to the countless subsequently Japanese sequels. -
herbsuperb — 11 years ago(March 19, 2015 05:26 AM)
Yeah. That's James Rolfe. Cinemassacre. AVGN. James and Mike Monday's and all that. He's a big Godzilla fan, and his disdain and disappointment with the '98 Godzilla film comes across loud and clear.
'Godzilla's Revenge' was not a good movie. But it did have some campy qualities that make it memorable. A bit of spark. Style. Uniqueness. GINO had none of that. It was CGI crap with no soul. There are intangible qualities in it that are difficult to put into words, but are apparent to those watching the film. Especially kids. Many have a nostalgic love for Godzilla's Revenge, while still acknowledging its many flaws.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=campy
Might be the best word to describe the difference between films like Godzilla's Revenge and GINO. A campy film can be bad, and still be loved. GINO was just bad, with no redeeming qualities. It was a cheap, poorly crafted Jurassic Park ripoff that took NOTHING from Godzilla except for the name, and that was purely for marquee value. It got Godzilla fans really excited, and then let them down horribly.
To quote James Rolfe "It's not a real Godzilla movie".
Anyway. Check out the 'Godzillathon' reviews James did a few years back. Fun to watch in and of themselves, and an interesting look at REAL Godzilla films from an honest fan.
GINO (RT): 16%
Godzilla's Revenge (RT): 29%
Godzilla 2014 (RT): 76% -
Dreamcatcher9000 — 11 years ago(March 20, 2015 05:35 PM)
"Check out the 'Godzillathon' reviews James did a few years back."
I have, dude. I sent you one of them in the previous message!
You know what? I'm not a Godzilla fan. So, I guess my opinion doesn't really matter. I just enjoyed both American versions as fun movies. And besides the 1954 movie, I really doubt I'll watch anything else. I have only one life, you know, and I have to spend time with care! -
megafauna005 — 11 years ago(March 20, 2015 09:08 PM)
WRONG Ben as always! You are the crackpot for believing in a fairytale and I'm not talking about Gilligan's Island or Godzilla!
Many people on this board prefer the 98 Godzilla because he looks like a real monster and not a man in a fat rubber suit!
Jesus NEVER existed! He is Judeo Christian MYTH! -
herbsuperb — 11 years ago(March 20, 2015 09:49 PM)
Many people on this board prefer the 98 Godzilla because he looks like a real monster and not a man in a fat rubber suit!
No it didn't. It looked like a computer generated, non-real, popcorn critter. The guy in the suit was FAR more effective. When combined with excellent set pieces and fantastic camera work, the original 1954 Godzilla looked terrifying. Music was very effective as well. Gino had none of that good stuff. It was just crap. -
Dreamcatcher9000 — 11 years ago(March 20, 2015 11:04 PM)
How did you figure out that he replied to me, Ben? Which he did actually, and got me confused!
I still don't understand though what he meant with "Godzilla 2014 fans are idiots who prefer the look of a man in a fat suit as opposed to a REAL looking monster like in Godzilla 98!". What does he mean when he says "Godzilla 2014", the new movie? But Godzilla looks like a real looking monster in BOTH movies, no matter if people hate the American versions or not. Although I'm a guy who's kind of tired of all these CGI effects in general, and prefer old school practical effects ("E.T.", "Gremlins", etc.), but I can't say that the old Japanese Godzilla effects and costumes are successful -
benGsboat — 11 years ago(March 21, 2015 06:30 AM)
How did you figure out that he replied to me, Ben?
Two ways: one, how the replies line up in the thread; two, I get a notification when someone responds to me.
As for Godzilla 2014yeah, he means the new movie. Go to that board and you'll see how often megamouth posted the same thing there, too. When someone like him has an opinion, it's like listening to an endless loop.
He's on ignore now, so I won't be reading his annoying words anymore. -
Dreamcatcher9000 — 11 years ago(March 18, 2015 10:13 PM)
megafauna005
"Godzilla 2014 fans are idiots who prefer the look of a man in a fat suit as opposed to a REAL looking monster like in Godzilla 98!"
Your sentence doesn't make sense. You say that the new Godzilla movie fans prefer a man in a suit as opposed to a CGI Godzilla? Butit was a CGI Godzilla in the new movie! So, how are they fans of it?
"It just shows "original" Godzilla fans are MORONS living in the 1950s!"
No fan is a moron. If some people prefer the old Godzilla movies, it's respectful. As it's respectful people who prefer the CGI versions. The morons are the obsessed fans of any kind who don't accept a different opinion. -
Dreamcatcher9000 — 11 years ago(March 18, 2015 10:18 PM)
rgon-1
"To put it simply, Tim Burton took a series of graphically violent trading cards depicting an invasion by skull faced martians and turned it into a kiddified spoof of alien invasion films."
First, the movie was fun. Second, I didn't know/remember it was based on those cards, and I don't care, because like I said, the movie was fun. What would you think of the movie if you never heard of the existence of those cards? -
numptyur — 11 years ago(January 10, 2015 09:25 AM)
This movie fails miserably as a Godzilla film as it has nothing to do with Godzilla. This movie fails miserably as a giant monster movie as the giant monster is a pussy that does nothing but run away from the military.
It's one of the worst movies ever made and an insult to any fan of Godzilla or giant monster movies. -
Dreamcatcher9000 — 11 years ago(February 02, 2015 09:10 AM)
This movie fails miserably as a Godzilla film as it has nothing to do with Godzilla. This movie fails miserably as a giant monster movie as the giant monster is a pussy that does nothing but run away from the military.
What did you want him to do? Throw rocks to enemies and then joyfully dance, like in the Japanese versions? It's a scared animal. Scared animals run and cause havoc.
It's one of the worst movies ever made and an insult to any fan of Godzilla or giant monster movies.
I strongly believe that there are at least 1,000 movies out there worst than this.
I don't judge any hardcore fan who was disappointed with this movie. But all this hate, calling it "one of the worst movies ever made", is somehow overreacting, in my opinion. It was a pop-corn movie like all the others. The "Transformers" movies, yes, they're terrible, especially 3 and 4, because it's all mindless bombardment of visual and sound effects, with ridiculous plot, annoying characters, and cheesy dialogues. I didn't see any of this in "Godzilla".
My only objection was Broderick, who can't fit in a blockbuster movie, he has a "rom-com" face. If the main character was someone "stronger", it would work better. -
J5iftY5iveXtreme — 11 years ago(February 21, 2015 01:59 PM)
It's a scared animal. Scared animals run and cause havoc.
It wouldn't be Godzilla anymore,then, if it runs away. Fans aren't necessarily expecting Godzilla to throw rocks or dance (and that only appears in one movie), but they at least want a Godzilla that fights back, whether it's the army or another giant monster. That's one thing the originals films are consistent on.
Godzilla is a unique monster with a specific behavior and characteristics, such as his trademark "atomic breath," which the monster in this movie lacks (yes, there's a scene where the monster seems to breath fire, but if you look closely at that scene, the fire is actually coming from the burning cars in front of the monster and not his mouth). Also, the monster in this movie is easily killed by missiles. In all the original films, Godzilla is a monster that cannot be killed by normal weapons(in the original film from 1954, it's the new, dangerous invention of a scientist that finally kills Godzilla, and it cost the scientist's life). This is really going back to what TheUnknown837-1 said about making Superman call the cops instead of fighting criminals and having him die from a switchblade.
This movie essentially created a new monster, which I think isn't too bad of a monster and is in fact actually cool on its own, but it only only looks different from the original, it acts different from the original and lacks the abilities that make Godzilla what he is. Godzilla is an established character with an established lore. Any adaptation of something will have to follow its source material faithfully, especially if there's a large fanbase for it. You know that if they make a new Batman movie, one that has nothing to do with the continuity of the previous films, it will still keep Batman's trademarks like his cape, cowl, utility belt, and bat symbol, because 70+ years of comics, movies, cartoons, etc. have established that that's what makes Batman who and what he is.
Not all Godzilla fans will say that this is the worst movie ever, but universally, they'll say that as a GODZILLA movie, it's bad.