Serves Del's 'Audience' Right!!
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highpriestess32 — 11 years ago(May 09, 2014 12:20 AM)
With respect, it may be considered normal but there's also a thing called personal choice and nobody was forced into attending - I am quite sure it wasn't obligatory so my revulsion stands.
I mean, don't get me wrong, curiosity is within all of us and I myself have looked over at the aftermath of a nasty RTA (and immediately regretted doing so in some instances), but that's a sort of spare of the moment thing and born out of concern. There's no way I would feel either justified nor comfortable in witnessing an execution.
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mcfaddensflats — 11 years ago(May 17, 2014 05:31 AM)
Some ways of killing people are more cruel and painful than others. I think many can support the death penalty, and would attend an execution to see "justice being done", but would not wish to see the condemned person agonizingly tortured to death (though some people might!). It is possible to support "humane" execution (I don't support the death penalty myself), but morally object to and be personally horrified by an inhumane type. This is why methods of execution changed over the years. Both the French guillotine(introduced in its familiar form during the revolution) and the electric chair, represented attempts by those in charge to make executions less painful, more "humane".
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highpriestess32 — 11 years ago(May 18, 2014 01:30 AM)
I just feel very sad for those who feel that watching another life being extinguished - regardless of the method - is deemed justifiable. If we are to place so much value on life then when a life is taken, how can it suddenly be morally acceptable to take the life of the perpotrator? I also question the morality of those who can quite happily sit and watch in judgement as the person is executed so long as it isn't them who pulls the switch.
What possible satisfaction can it bring? It won't effect what's happened ONE iota. Punishment comes from having to face one's crimes (possibly face the families of the victim(s)) and be suitably punished for, in some cases, a very long time. I say bring back the Chain Gangs and scrap all these privelages they get in jail these days! But don't kill them, make them face up to what they have done. Death is actually the easy way out.
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novastar_6 — 11 years ago(May 18, 2014 03:32 PM)
Sometimes it's the only thing that can be done to ensure safety for the people in and out of prison. I was reading a children's true crime book from the 60s, talked about a case from 1927 where a guy dressed as Santa Claus robbed a bank, 9 people including the Chief of Police were killed in the gunfight, he also kidnapped two 10 year old girls to make his getaway. He was finally caught, put in prison, but started acting insane since insane people couldn't be incarcerated in prison, he would be catatonic, wouldn't respond to being burnt, etc., and went on for months like this, then one day out of nowhere he attacked a guard, stole the keys and broke out of his cell, and was on the loose again. The public wouldn't stand for it so they marched into the jail when he was recaptured, overpowered the guards, dragged him out into the street and hanged him, then when the excitement died down they went on to their homes and resumed life as usual. Given he was able to fake catatonia for months purely so at one point he could attack a guard and break out, exactly what should've been done to make sure he didn't do it again or even something worse the next time?
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highpriestess32 — 11 years ago(May 23, 2014 06:08 AM)
That's very rare but someone clearly misdiagnosed him since he was able to mimic those symptoms but even so, the security should be no more lenient in a mental institution than it is in jail. The institution was clearly at fault regardless of that man's mental state. Reminds me of the time Ronnie and Reggie Kray switched places so Ronnie could escape Broadmoor! Security needs to be tightened IMO overall and it doesn't actually have to cost that much per se from scratch but to adapt existing secure holdings could be costly as a lot of older buildings are inadequate.
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bobbiekaye69 — 10 years ago(May 13, 2015 12:36 PM)
I'm sure you've never lost a loved one to violent crime, and I pray you never do.
But if someone brutally murdered my loved one, I would have no problem executing that person by my own hand.
Do you really feel that such a person should not pay with his life?
I intend to live forever.
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highpriestess32 — 10 years ago(May 14, 2015 02:09 AM)
Well then it's a good job you are not in either law enforcement or the criminal justice system. Instead you'll be the one executed for being a vigilante. Yep, fight brutality with brutality - it's the only solution people like you seem to understand.
At no stage have I suggested we go easy on criminals of this genre but no, I do not think we mortals have that right to decide who lives and who dies. That sort of stuff is reserved for a higher realm.
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post-orgasmic-mood — 10 years ago(June 09, 2015 06:57 AM)
I dont necessarily think youre wrong, however I disagree.
If a loved one of mine (especially my son) was murdered, you'd be damned right that I would fight brutality with brutality. I would absolutely be a vigilante.
I think if those mere mortals can choose to murder those closest to us, then we should be able to offer the same punishment.
I would like to see the death penalty come back (UK here)
It was only 100 years ago that you would have a family day out to see a hanging. You'd take your children and get a snack like going to the cinema.
Justice was a day out!
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rascal67 — 9 years ago(October 03, 2016 12:38 AM)
If a loved one of mine (especially my son) was murdered, you'd be damned right that I would fight brutality with brutality. I would absolutely be a vigilante.
I think if those mere mortals can choose to murder those closest to us, then we should be able to offer the same punishment.
To sound like a clich, this wouldn't make you any better than the murderer then. This is not a he-man, vengeance is mine, tough guy issue that can be solved or addressed in black and white terms. And what if the perpetrator was a female or a very young man in his late teens, would you feel the same way? Punishing does not really solve the bigger issues inherent in our justice system and society, especially when a law states thou shall not kill. This is hypocrisy in it's truest form.
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rascal67 — 9 years ago(October 03, 2016 12:31 AM)
if someone brutally murdered my loved one, I would have no problem executing that person by my own hand.
Do you really feel that such a person should not pay with his life?
That is an easy thing to say from a hypothetical pov; but you wouldn't know how you would really feel if the crunch came down to it and you were offered the opportunity to do away with the perpetrator of the crime. I hope you never have to lose a loved one at the hands of a brutal murderer, otherwise you would then have to have the courage of your convictions.
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alexreg — 11 years ago(July 22, 2014 03:08 PM)
I couldn't agree more with this view! I didn't laugh, as it was a horrible scene in some ways, but I had to wryly grin at the sick beep sitting there watching the execution, as if they were there to enjoy a normal electrocution. The fact that the audience has their twisted moral principles shattered by the witness of a botched electrocution is perhaps gratifying in that it exposes such immorality. I would expect there exist a lot of people in this world that would have no compunction watching such an execution, but it's not to make it any more acceptable a thing.
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highpriestess32 — 11 years ago(July 28, 2014 11:16 PM)
Great post, Alexreg. I seem to recall at one point, some woman's face contorting in disgust and didn't she raise her handkerchief to her face as though she were watching some weepy at the flicks? I'm sure one woman did in that line-up.
And yes, it does a fine job of exposing such immorality on their part. I actually am of the belief that many who witness such an atrocity could never truly walk away feeling a sense of satisfaction as they may previously imagine they would. Instead they now have the indelible memory not only of the tragedy that led to the person being executed but added to that the etched images of seeing someone put to death in such an inhumane way. I think for me, it would merely exasperate the existing sense of melancholia, not make me feel in any way triumphant. Maybe people should consider these things very carefully before rushing in full of vengeful feelings as to how such a spectacle might effect them for years to come.
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!!!deleted!!! (47421091) — 11 years ago(October 03, 2014 04:17 PM)
And yes, it does a fine job of exposing such immorality on their part.
Immorality? I think a painless execution is more humane than denying a person their liberty for the rest of their lives, unless you are also advocating no punishment whatsoever.
The late great Mike Royko had a great opinion on the death penalty. He suggested that everyone should carry a card on his person (or driver's license) that would state whether the bearer, if murdered, would want the murderer executed or not. Someone like you would have the option of having your murderer imprisoned for life with three square meals, TV, movies, work out equipment, etc.
As for me, I'm pro death penalty for certain crimes, but would agree to end capital punishment if the perp was then stuffed in a crate like a veal, and fed a nutritious but otherwise bland "con-chow" (Purina could make it) and clean water for the rest of their lives. No TV, no gym, no free college education-nothing. Give them the option of ending their miserable lives if this doesn't suit them. -
highpriestess32 — 11 years ago(October 04, 2014 12:35 AM)
But who is to say it is painless? I read recently that it isn't even being undertaken by those qualified to dispense the lethal injections
But I would agree that there can be way too many privileges in prisons. It isn't supposed to be a holiday camp. Hard labour and loss of those luxuries should be standard. I think reading material should be available but stringently controlled as to the subject matter. If inmates are playing pool and watching television then they are still not facing up to their crimes. Those who are incapable of rehabilitation should still have to earn their every meal seeing as it costs so much to keep one person incarcerated.
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!!!deleted!!! (47421091) — 11 years ago(October 04, 2014 01:21 PM)
But who is to say it is painless?
If that's your only objection, I have a solution: carbon monoxide. Those overcome by it through faulty heating, ventilation, or pitching woo in a running automobile with the windows up report being totally unaware anything is happening to them. (in fact, a young couple a few years ahead of me in high school died in the back seat of an old Corvair). Put them in a room, fill with carbon monoxide, they drift off to blissful permanent slumber. -
highpriestess32 — 11 years ago(October 04, 2014 10:48 PM)
No it isn't my only objection. I am just against the State playing God with lives. That isn't to say I am anti-punishment. People should be held culpable for their crimes but the prison system just isn't much of a deterrent. Neither in fact is the DP. Crime is no less prevalent in States that support it.
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rascal67 — 9 years ago(October 03, 2016 12:49 AM)
The state still has a duty of care to it's inmates and not to treat others inhumanely and with cruelty. They are locked up for crimes perpetrated against societies laws and I have to ask myself, if I ended up in a sticky situation myself, or knew of someone I cared about who was to be imprisoned, would I want to see others treated with scorn and disdain, which can border on criminal behavior itself?
I do have an issue with the term "punishment"; because what is this solving and teaching others about attitudes and behaviors? I don't think many hardcore criminals have been taught ways in which to improve their lives for the benefit of themselves and others at a very early stage; they are just told that they are wrong for what they shouldn't be doing, instead of what they could have been doing. This is a very disconcerting and even corrupt aspect of our society, and what many parents are putting out there based on their own ignorance regarding breeding and children.
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Bulls18135 — 11 years ago(July 28, 2014 02:44 AM)
Not everyone watching the execution is doing it because they enjoy watching someone die. Legally there has to be witnesses. The victims or victims family have the right to watch, members of the press are usually present, most likely assigned to the job, and I'm sure representatives of the state are present as well.