Angelovs
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coolbluegreen — 16 years ago(August 04, 2009 08:48 AM)
BokoGreat wrote: <
Are you as hot as Goran Visjnic? Just askingpurely for educational purposes
BokoGreat wrote: <It's the name in the book, the first name, at least. They kept it.
BokoGreat wrote: <Good to know. However, very few people in the US will know that. She posits that it harmed the film. I am saying that, well, almost no one in America noticed. That's where the movie was made. If it made it to Bulgaria (did it?) I assume it would have been dubbed or subtitled.
BokoGreat wrote: <Why? I HAVE to see this movie again. I have lived in the Southwest and in NYC, so trust me when I say I have been surrounded by Latino accents and GV did not sound AT ALL Latino. Or do you mean Castillian Spanish? I have less familiarity with that kind of accent. Still I didn't hear it. I'll watch the film again (no hardship) and check.
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I've also heard many other accents including Croatian, Macedonian, Serbian and Russian and all of those are very different in fact if you get people from those countries to speak Bulgarian they would have very distinct accents to begin with because all those languages, even though they are quite similar as languages, are very diferent in the way they sound esepecially the vowels. >>
Of course.
BokoGreat wrote: <He's Croatian. When he speaks, he speaks accented English and it's a Croatian accent. I'll have to check an ep of ER and compare it with Practical Magic to see if he uses his natural accent in Practical Magic.
BokoGreat wrote: <Well, you can find that in Spanish, god knows. Spanish is all rolled r's and I took a lot of flack from this Ecuadorian teacher for not being able to do it. I can't roll my r's. Kindergarten would have been hell for me over there. I think it's a gene. I have tried to roll my r's but have never been able to. I would have had a speech impediment in Bulgaria and many (all?) Spanish speaking countries hmmmmmm but I don't in the US. Interesting.
BokoGreat wrote: <
Now I suppose someone could come along and say "Hey wait a minute but maybe he spent a long time in America and has gotten used to softer T's, D's and not rolling his R's." To that I say: It still doesn't sound Bulgarian because of his intonation and many other factors including, like i said before, his vowels which sound spanish to me. To conclude I don't see a legitimate argument as to why he has that accent as he is supposed to be playing a Bulgarian Character except for: He's a Croatian guy trying to put on a Bulgarian accent and failing, making it turn out sounding Spanish. >>
To that I say Griffin Dunne cast the hottest guy possible and wasn't meticulous about the accents, knowing, perhaps, that almost no one in America would notice or care. As for the other stuff you said, I'll just have to see the movie again. So, you like Bulgarian folk music? Stuff like Glede Ma Glede? I do. There is an American artist, Beth Quist, who studied in Bulgaria, I believe, you sings English songs inspired by Bulgarian folk tunes. Just fyi. -
AlekaXRequiem — 16 years ago(August 05, 2009 02:31 AM)
Why is melting pot offensive?
"Why does that have to be standard? And why must Jimmy Angelov have that accent? "
Because it says in the script that he's Bulgarian. There are many Bulgarian accents but in film and television there is a 'standard' in most accents that is recognisable by the rest of the world. It would've been the base on whichever dialect GV wanted to chose. I would say starting with standard Bulgarian then adding the quirks of bulgarians who live near "Transylvania"
"Yeah, some of your Ozzies are great "
Australia and New Zealand are not the same country.
I'm from New Zealand. We're Kiwis not Ozzies. But that seems to be a common mistake. However Lucy Lawless is kiwi, she's alright.
"Perhaps the Croatian accent is close to the Bulgarian. That I don't know."
I do, it not.
"It's a great film and as far as I can tell, you are THE ONLY person who had any problem with GV's accent."
Judging from the other poster, who is infact Bulgarian themselves, I've found someone who shares the opinion.
I've also found this with a few people I've met in real life.
"What, do you think everyone is just like you? Newsflash they're not! Some people can do accents, others can't. It's a gift, like any other? "
I never said they had to be like me. If he put in the work, did some research and actually aknowledged that the accent was Bulgarian not Croatian or Spanish then his accent would've sounded a lot different. If the director had their heart set of GV knowing that he couldn't pull off the Bulgarian accent, then perhaps they should've changed the script to match the accent.
You back up my point comepletely in this one paragraph:
"I guess I was thinking of a movie I saw with Robert Carlyle (Scottish actor) where he played a Russian. He doesn't do accents well and the Scottish kept coming through. Very distracting. It's a totall different region! "
My thoughts exactly on GV.
BUT before you reply I think that no matter what I say, there is one thing holding this conversation in its tracks.
You're a fan. You are inlove with the actor (his looks have you quite taken it seems) and therefore you will not accept anything that would possibly flaw his performance. The fact remains, he's not doing a Bulgarian accent. He sounds more similare to Antonio Banderas. -
coolbluegreen — 16 years ago(August 05, 2009 04:24 AM)
AlekaKRequiem wrote: <
Well, it assumes that immigrants give up their identity to melt into American society. That is now considered offensive and we are supposed to view the experience and community like a salad all working well together but keeping their identities intact. Look soon that will be offensive and something new will be pc.
I wrote (and can you please quote me?) "Why does that have to be standard? And why must Jimmy Angelov have that accent? "
AlekaKRequiem wrote: <Eh, mayb
AlekaKRequiem wrote: <<"Yeah, some of your Ozzies are great "
Australia and New Zealand are not the same country.>>
I know that. Trust me big Xena fan here. How the hell else would I know Martin Csokas? Or Glede Ma Glede? I didn't mean "your" in that way, but it was poorly written and I can see why you took it the way you did. I know the difference between a Kiwi and an Ozzie and you will admit, if you are fair, did indicate that in my last post.
AlekaKRequiem wrote: <I know. I said that in my last post. Remember when you wrote <
and I responded with
<That should indicate that I know the difference.
AlekaXRequiem wrote: <AlekaXRequiem wrote: <
It's not one I made. The comments in my previous post, my differentiating between Kiwis and Ozzies, should have made that clear, despite my one misleading word choice. I might have said, "Some of your Italians are hot, too" without meaning that their landmass actually touches yours. That "your" thing it's New York.
AlekaXRequiem wrote: << However Lucy Lawless is kiwi, she's alright.>>
She's more than all right! Those eyes, those legs, that lovely singing voice, that everything.
I wrote (god quote me!) <<"Perhaps the Croatian accent is close to the Bulgarian. That I don't know.">>
AlekaXRequiem wrote: <I wrote: "It's a great film and as far as I can tell, you are THE ONLY person who had any problem with GV's accent.">>
AlekaXRequiem wrote:Judging from the other poster, who is infact Bulgarian themselves, I've found someone who shares the opinion.
I've also found this with a few people I've met in real life.>>
Handfuls don't matter to Hollywood.
I wrote (please quote me; this is such a drag)"What, do you think everyone is just like you? Newsflash they're not! Some people can do accents, others can't. It's a gift, like any other? "
AlekaXRequiem wrote: <Maybe. Maybe not. Maybe he just can't do accents. Ever hear David Boreanaz try to sound Irish? It's awful. Excruciating. And not Irish not anything.
AlekaXRequiem wrote:If the director had their heart set of GV knowing that he couldn't pull off the Bulgarian accent, then perhaps they should've changed the script to match the accent.>>
Sure. Whatever.
AlekaXRequiem wrote: <
"I guess I was thinking of a movie I saw with Robert Carlyle (Scottish actor) where he played a Russian. He doesn't do accents well and the Scottish kept coming through. Very distracting. It's a totall different region! "
My thoughts exactly on GV.>>
Okay. However, the regions aren't so far apart or as utterly separated physically and culturally. Scotland and Russia very far apart.
AlekaXRequiem wrote: <
You're a fan. You are inlove with the actor (his looks have you quite taken it seems)>>
Nothing wrong with that. I am a bigger fan of other actors, but he is beautiful.
AlekaXRequiem wrote: <That is SO WEIRD. You see, I am also an Antonio Banderas fan. Huge. In fact, one my, um, best dreams ever featured Antonio Banderas. Sorry if that's TMI. However, I am perfectly willing to accept that there is a flaw in GV's performance. I have repeatedly said I will watch the film again to see if I can hear it, and I will. You COULD be right. If he does sound like AB, I might have been too awash in sensual delight to notice BUT I like accents and I like AB, so I might have. I need to watch the film again.
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coolbluegreen — 16 years ago(August 07, 2009 06:12 AM)
AlekaXRequiem wrote: <
Thanks!
AlekaXRequiem wrote: <I know. It's so wonderful. Watching Practical Magic is just a total delight. I have the soundtrack,too. Practical Magic deserves way more credit than it gets. AFAIAC, watching PM is just pure pleasure.
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coolbluegreen — 16 years ago(August 05, 2009 09:44 AM)
I just realized something else. Aidan Quinn's character is supposed to be from Tucson, but he speaks with a kind of Southern accent can't quite remember, but whatever it is, it sure doesn't sound like Tucson.
Who knows? Maybe this is some little game Griffin Dunne likes to play. And again, I didn't care. The movie was so enjoyable and the men so attractive. In fact, the whole movie was gorgeous. -
EdenParadise — 15 years ago(November 05, 2010 10:10 AM)
What the other guy is saying is that you are generalizing the accent to the language. I know many people who are Mexican and have a Mexican accent, and while they speak Spanish, they have a very different accent from a Spaniard from Spain. Now, people from Barcelona, Spain have a Barcelonian accent, which is slightly different from an accent a person from Milan, Spain would have. Cuba is a Spanish speaking country, but the Cuban accent is very different from a Venezuelan accent.
You can't say that an accent sounds Spanish because not every Spanish accent sounds the same. You can say the Rs are rolled like a Barcelonian R or a Cuban R, but because these accents are not the same, the Rs cannot be rolled like a Spanish R.
I think "Captain Planet" is something that should be mandatory to watch nowadays.
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SpiritedAngel — 13 years ago(December 05, 2012 12:14 PM)
Just a thought, but maybe he wasnt from Bulgaria at all, maybe he lied to her. Obviously he lied a little about who he is, Im guess he never told her he killed someone either, so maybe he lied about where he was from to make himself more interesting, thinking that a girl like her would go for the mysterious foreigner. Plus, if he knew about her being a witch, we never find out if he knew this or not, but maybe if he did he thought she would like him more if he was from somewhere near Transylvania its a possibility.
Alternatively it could just be that the director liked the actor and didnt really care about his accent that much, not a lot of people would notice it anyway, I know I have no idea was someone from Bulgaria sounds like so I assumed it was the right accent
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siobanphotogirl — 12 years ago(October 10, 2013 02:25 AM)
Definitely true about Northern Ireland accents being different from accents from other parts of Ireland. And some ways of speaking, expressions would be different too. Many people would suppose that all Irish say 'a wee bit' but no. Certain Northern Irish people say it but I won't say all because I'm not sure. 'Fair Play to ye' is a Dublin area expression. I can't recall Northerners using it. Dublin itself has different regions and therefore different accents. Some are harsher and more 'inner city', others are considered more 'posh'. This is what I've noticed over the years anyway.
Liam Neeson may have a hard time dropping his Northern Irish accent to do a Dublin accent. I don't think he has attempted it. His Cork accent (for Michael Collins) seemed good, but not as strong as the ones I heard in The Wind That Shakes The Barley I don't remember a time I heard Liam's Northern Ireland accent sneak in during Michael Collins but maybe I missed it.
True, true.accents are difficult to master and an actor can be run over the coals for getting them wrong. Gerard Butler knows his Irish accent for P.S. I Love You was not great by the way people asked about it! -
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nedta — 13 years ago(September 12, 2012 07:39 AM)
I'm from Bulgaria and Jimmy or James truly isn't typical bulgarian name. But Angelov is. We put the accent on the firs syllable and it doesn't sound like angel and love as it is in the movie. I hope you get what I mean. There is the transcription: ['angelov].
About his accent - it's obvious the actor is not Bulgarian. We speak english, as far as I can tell, a little bit harsh. For example: we pronounce your "r", very difficult, because our "r" is more like the german, or even french "r". It's hard for me to explain that, I haven't study linguistic. There is a clip from one of our tv shows: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8arUkZqd1Cs So you can hear that our language is a little bit harsh, so it is our accent.
One more thing - yeah we are neighbours with Romania and Transylvania is region in it. There are even legends which said that Dracula have castle in one of our mountains and that he traveled to London through our port in Varna. But we are not connected to the cowboys, or more correctly to the cowboys you know. Our ancestors Our ancestors used to "live" on the horse, their flag was horse tail, but they didn't have ranch and cowboy hats or bulls, and they didn't say "yeah-hay". They were more like the Dothraki in Game of thrones.
I tried to read all of your comments, because it is interesting to me. But you argue about something so silly. The actor is not bulgarian, and it is pretty hard to mimic any accent. For me - he didn't sound bulgarian. It is true that almost every bulgarian I hear speaking english has different accent and some of them don't.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2_YvNOcKSE&feature=relmfu
At 1:27 there is bulgarian girl who speaks english. You can see, when we are trying to pronounce your "r", how difficult is that for us.
I'd watch it any time.