..without an alternative.
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Dengal — 9 years ago(January 06, 2017 10:47 PM)
The GOP will end up calling ACA something else so they can take credit for it.
Like the 1996 republican health plan? Romneycare? The ACA was a republican plan from the 90's, and liberals rightly at the time hated it, yet now most still defend it as being great.
Some form of single-payer is the way to go.
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pvd295 — 9 years ago(January 07, 2017 06:35 AM)
Like the 1996 republican health plan? Romneycare? The ACA was a republican plan from the 90's, and liberals rightly at the time hated it, yet now most still defend it as being great.
Meanwhile, while Republicans hailed Romneycare in 1996 as the best thing since Ronald Reagan, they despised it when Obama decided it was a great healthcare plan for the country in 2008. Now it's horribleprobably because the Black man is President.
"Splodey heads keep splodin' " - Sarah Palin, 7-1-16 -
Dengal — 9 years ago(January 08, 2017 09:04 PM)
Meanwhile, while Republicans hailed Romneycare in 1996 as the best thing since Ronald Reagan, they despised it when Obama decided it was a great healthcare plan for the country in 2008. Now it's horribleprobably because the Black man is President.
So either republicans wised up, and democrats got more stupid. Or both sides are partisan hypocrites. Take your pick. -
JamesAvalon — 9 years ago(January 09, 2017 05:34 AM)
I'd say the Dems got more stupidest. And much more partisanest. The Dems today are NOT the Dems of 1996. That is a fact. They are much further to the Left. Back then, they were actually against illegal immigration. Today, they NEED illegals because their ideas are SO BAD they can't keep any voters in America so they need to bring new ones in by enticing them with citizenship.
No Democrat today would DARE utter 'The era of big government is over!'. I miss that Bill Clinton, who actually cut taxes, which further fueled economic growth! He was able to work with the GOP! Go figure!
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zabbree — 9 years ago(January 09, 2017 06:36 AM)
Switch Dem with Rep and left with right, and you could say the same thing. Illegals DON'T vote. So, can you get that particular boogeyman out of your head? The ignorance of that statement alone is indicative of why this country is so torn apart right now.
I don't like the EC, but it is the law of the land. People arguing "illegals" voting as the reason Trump lost the popular vote are as ignorant as the people expecting the EC or Congress to invalidate his election. Both sides need to stop spreading lies and focus on running this country.
Bill Clinton had Republicans that were willing to work with him. Barack Obama did not. We can argue partisan politics from here to eternity, but anyone that says the GOP (and frankly all of the DEMs) were willing to work with President Obama is a liar. -
JamesAvalon — 9 years ago(January 09, 2017 07:35 AM)
Switch Dem with Rep and left with right, and you could say the same thing. Illegals DON'T vote. So, can you get that particular boogeyman out of your head? The ignorance of that statement alone is indicative of why this country is so torn apart right now.
Illegals do vote. If you believe otherwise, you are crazy.
I don't like the EC, but it is the law of the land. People arguing "illegals" voting as the reason Trump lost the popular vote are as ignorant as the people expecting the EC or Congress to invalidate his election. Both sides need to stop spreading lies and focus on running this country.
How many illegals voted for Hillary in California alone? Do you ever wonder?
Bill Clinton had Republicans that were willing to work with him. Barack Obama did not. We can argue partisan politics from here to eternity, but anyone that says the GOP (and frankly all of the DEMs) were willing to work with President Obama is a liar.
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mrbean-87852 — 9 years ago(January 06, 2017 07:45 PM)
I'm surprised the percentage is not higher. I think that everyone would want an alternative of some sort. Unfortunately, Obamacare wasn't affordable. You guys really do need a single payer health care system. Yes, there will be longer wait times but you won't lose your house if you get cancer.
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zabbree — 9 years ago(January 06, 2017 09:46 PM)
Yes, there will be longer wait times but you won't lose your house if you get cancer.
We should have never allowed a for-profit medical system at all. It's really sad when people who get illnesses like cancer can lose their homes while CEO's of health insurance companies can earn 8-9 figures a year in compensation. -
pjpurple-1 — 9 years ago(January 07, 2017 11:12 AM)
LOL My first thought exactly!
I think I understand zabbree's sentiments. There is something immoral about bankrupting people who seek health care. These are some complicated issues and I don't pretend to have the answers.
But not having a "for profit" medical system? WHY would you expect nurses, doctors, medical technicians, pharmacists, scientists and researchers who develop life saving drugs NOT to make a profit?
My son finished nursing school last year. My niece just graduated from pharmacy school. They worked very HARD. They have accrued a lot of school debt. Why should they not expect to make a good living from all their hard work?
Hollywood celebrities expect to make millions from their dopey TV shows and movies. Why shouldn't people who spend years and years training to save lives expect to make a good living?
The problem is the government inserting itself into an area in which it has NO business being in the first place. It has convinced a population of sheep that it is their Shepherd and will lead them to good health. People need to stop trusting government with their lives and well-beingmaybe actually READ the Constitution and what the government is ACTUALLY mandated to do!
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zabbree — 9 years ago(January 07, 2017 12:32 PM)
I have no issue with doctors, nurses, and anyone else in healthcare earning their due. I have a huge issue with insurance companies, which are low-balling doctors and medical facilities daily, making profits off healthcare.
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pjpurple-1 — 9 years ago(January 07, 2017 02:18 PM)
Yeah,zabbree, I figured that you didn't have a problem with health care workers making a living. Insurance companies, another issue. I know there is "something" going on there which I am not in a position to argue about. I really would have to study it more.
But "expecting people to do what's right without government intervention"?? Huh, since when is the government in sole possession of morals and doing "what is right"?? Seriously, government is run by self serving sinners who are no more MORAL than the private sector. You REALLY want to put Washington in charge of such a huge part of your life? I don't.
Nancy Pelosi said that they would have to "pass the ACA bill to find out what's init." You REALLY want clueless fools like that in charge of your health care? You do know that Mrs. Pelosi and her husband made millions via insider trading and other shady practices that would get ordinary citizens a stint in jail.
For the life of me I do not understand how intelligent people are willing to give over huge chunks of their lives to elected officials who are NO better, NO more moral, NO more caring about their fellow man than private businesses.
We have the problems with health care now because of government involvement. Washington aint a church! It does not care about your welfare, it CARES about being reelected and maintaining its power and wealth!
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zabbree — 9 years ago(January 07, 2017 04:19 PM)
We have the problems with health care now because of government involvement. Washington aint a church! It does not care about your welfare, it CARES about being reelected and maintaining its power and wealth!
Fewer and fewer churches offer services, and affordable healthcare should not be considered something to which only the wealthy have access.
But "expecting people to do what's right without government intervention"?? Huh, since when is the government in sole possession of morals and doing "what is right"?? Seriously, government is run by self serving sinners who are no more MORAL than the private sector. You REALLY want to put Washington in charge of such a huge part of your life? I don't.
I think government intervention of any kind would not be warranted if people treated everyone the way they want to be treated, but since that doesn't happen, I'd rather have the government involved than contending with some glorified administrators wish to get rich off my mother's cancer.
Nancy Pelosi said that they would have to "pass the ACA bill to find out what's init." You REALLY want clueless fools like that in charge of your health care? You do know that Mrs. Pelosi and her husband made millions via insider trading and other shady practices that would get ordinary citizens a stint in jail.
Nancy Pelosi is an idiot that needed to retire during the first Bush's administration. Frankly, most high ranking Democrats were no happier about President Obama being elected than the racists in this country were. If they had been willing to work with him (instead of not doing what they needed to do and hiding behind/blaming the Republican party resistance), things would have been a lot different. If they cared about the ACA at all, Democratic congressional leaders would have done more to fine-tune and sell it.
For the life of me I do not understand how intelligent people are willing to give over huge chunks of their lives to elected officials who are NO better, NO more moral, NO more caring about their fellow man than private businesses.
I completely disagree. Government is required to allocate services equally without prejudice. Private businesses can get away with not doing that in some cases. Also, they can provide services based on who can afford them. The government cannot. Having worked with different agencies, I'm of the opinion most issues with things that are government run have little to do with the individual agencies. Many of their problems stem from the legislative branch, and until they get themselves together, no other agency will work efficiently. -
zabbree — 9 years ago(January 07, 2017 12:30 PM)
Sorry, are the CEOs of insurance companies doctors? Most aren't. No one said anything about doctors not getting their money. I said insurance companies. Replying with an ignorant and unsubstantiated claim is really silly.
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Dagwoodie — 9 years ago(January 07, 2017 01:09 PM)
CEO's of dozens of different types of corporations make similar salaries. Yet no one ever seems to care how much the CEO of Apple Corporation makes. Either socialize the whole mess (ready for VA-level care, anyone?), or find constructive ways to make healthcare more affordable (something ACA has not yet done).
And it's not the poor who are being victimized by the ACA, it's hard-working middle class individuals and small business owners who are being taxed through inflated premiums to pay for those who are subsidized - who can no longer afford the cost of a plan that offers the same benefits as those who are paying little or nothing.