Is Matrix real?
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depastino — 9 years ago(October 24, 2016 09:58 AM)
Finally, if you want to talk science & since you mentioned atoms, don't you think it's
"weird" that particles are "ghosts"? That we can't know both their speed & their
position at the same time? That we can only calculate "possibilities" about them? That
until we observe them, "they may be there but they may be not". Have you ever heard
of the "Double Slit Experiment" which makes our Universe look like a videogame (in
the sense that in videogames the picture we see when we turn our virtual head isn't
really there, it renders when we turn to look, thus our "observation" affects our
"(virtual) world")?
Totally forgot about that experiment! Excellent post.
The thing is, the simulation in the movie is really cut and dried - a little too easy for the freed humans to understand and manipulate.
If we living inside an elaborate simulation, it's easy to assume that our puny human intellect would have a difficult time even comprehending the big picture if we were ever able to go "behind the scenes" - let alone defy the wishes of the entity responsible. -
bsharporflat-50959 — 9 years ago(October 24, 2016 11:45 AM)
the picture we see when we turn our virtual head isn't
really there, it renders when we turn to look, thus our "observation" affects our "(virtual) world")?
You are speaking of the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle.
If we living inside an elaborate simulation, it's easy to assume that our puny human intellect would have a difficult time even comprehending the big picture if we were ever able to go "behind the scenes" - let alone defy the wishes of the entity responsible.
The idea that people like Tank or Cypher can look at pages of symbolic code and see instantaneous action in regard to people (and their hair color), streets, buildings, doors, etc. is only one of many things that make The Matrix unrealistic.
Like Oz and Wonderland (both referenced in the movie), The Matrix is best taken as a fantasy world not a realistic possible future. Like Oz and Wonderland, The Matrix is more of a social commentary on our own real world, rather than a depiction of what the future might actually be like. -
wintermonk — 10 years ago(March 11, 2016 12:55 PM)
"Are we really living in a simulated reality?"
Maybe. There is no way we can know whether or not reality is, in fact, real.
In fact, today could be a simulation, and our entire history could be implanted memories. Could be that the entire universe is a computer simulation that is only a day old, and all our memories are simply implanted memories (like in
Blade Runner
, that one female replicant who "remembered" her past, but her past didn't exist). Ultimately, what we think of reality is taken on faith, not just by the religious, but by everyone. -
dsliquid — 9 years ago(May 21, 2016 06:25 AM)
You know, LOGICALLY it's more likely that we're in a simulated reality than in the real reality.
Reasoning: There will always only be
one
real reality. But at some point, humans or other creatures are bound to create advanced simulated worlds, much more so than the WoW simulated realities we have with today's primitive technology. (Most of the worlds will probably be inhabited by AI's though, and not real-life creatures connected to from the outside.)
So, maybe we live on a fake Earth, made by humans from 2300, or maybe the scientists who made our world are some for us unimaginary creatures! We can't really know, yet.
Point is, when looking at the numbers, there will be lots of simulated worlds and only one real world, making it more likely we're in one of the simulated ones. -
RockerJohnny — 9 years ago(May 25, 2016 07:13 AM)
However likely due to statistic theory if we look at what we got I think most can agree a better simulation could easily be achieved. To much imperfection and hardship here to argue that someone set it up just like so on purpose, then they must like to revel in our toiling and suffering. Why code in virus and diseases as an example?
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dsliquid — 9 years ago(June 09, 2016 02:19 AM)
RockerJohnny: The viruses and diseases might just have evolved by itself, just like everything else. UNLESS of course they were coded in to keep the population low. Which would make a lot of sense. "Ooops, those humans are overpopulating the planet very quickly! Better introduce a disease to slow down the pace."
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RockerJohnny — 9 years ago(June 09, 2016 03:15 AM)
If it is a simulation variables can just be changed. Why not then set the probability of conceiving a child to 1% and we'd have no overpopulation problems. Virus and bacteria is an important part of nature and such needed in a real world and their evolved cousins that cause severe afflictions are a "side effect". In a simulation however we wouldn't need these viruses and with a low prob of conceiving children we could beep around as we'd please. I mean if I made a simulation I make it awesome and pleasureable. If I'd make a new universe, logically founded reality i would understand the nred for viruses and evolution.
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dsliquid — 9 years ago(June 09, 2016 10:49 AM)
RockerJohnny: Well, we don't know what the programmers/scientists want with their project! Maybe its point is to build a program that does evolution as efficiently as possible. Maybe it's about trying to make the inhabitants as intelligent as possible, while still not having them realize that they are artificial. In that case, maybe they introduce "believable" solutions to potential disasters, because if they just pressed the "let's have only 1% get pregnant", we humans would wonder what the heck is going on.
All just speculation of course.
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RockerJohnny — 9 years ago(June 09, 2016 02:15 PM)
Damn your point is valid. I could argue against that of course but then we could go on like that, what if, what if, what if
I still believe this is "real" though, as in necessary and that our history will be remembered, still just a step on the way though towards creating heaven which is the real goal. I guess I believe that cause it makes the story better.
I believe in God myself. And I would have to argue why he set it up like this just as a scientist in control of a simulation. I reason it is cause a reality founded on logical relationships can be considered good. We ultimately like order, cause and effect. We don't like when things just happen out of the blue, as you say we would become skeptic and couldn't trust our own existence maybe? I reason a stable foundation is built from the ground up. From nothing to chaos, to order in galaxies and star systems, to life, to man, to culture, faith and love. Maybe God is restricted, maybe "this" is needed to foster emphatic understanding free spirited individuals. If we consider it as a simulation, a mere dream, that we later wake up in paradise from (which I believe we all will) I believe the dream was to teach us empathy and understanding. I really can't know the creators ultimate motives but I believe in what is good, love, evolution, progress and the written word that rings true in me. -
KingCobra686 — 9 years ago(July 25, 2016 06:10 PM)
Better is a very relative term. What if we actually are in a simulation and the true reality is that you are the last living creature in the universe who is on a spaceship slowly getting sucked into a black hole and living out your last few weeks living in a simulator and posting on IMDB? That would make things seem pretty good here.
Also, look at all the popular video games that sell well. Most involve a lot of action and exciting stuff that isnt very utopia like. -
bsharporflat-50959 — 9 years ago(May 26, 2016 05:32 AM)
Reasoning: There will always only be one real reality.
This is a false statement. It seems right to you, but it is only the opinion of a human mind. There is surely much that we don't know and even more that we can never know. We are trapped in the limited perspective of an evolved ape and can't go beyond that. -
spambag — 9 years ago(June 21, 2016 05:24 PM)
Yes, you are all living in a simulated reality - my reality. It only exists in my head and I made all of you up.
Sometimes I ask people if they like my reality, but I am just talking to myself anyhow and the answers make no sense.
If you are wondering what will happen when I die, my reality will go to the same place bubbles go when they pop.
When I first read this post I thought "I should have said that' but I already had. Again.
My reality has a lot of holes in it - sorry, I think it is because I was just made up in someone else's head and don't actually exist. -
ez_fx — 9 years ago(June 22, 2016 02:12 PM)
I don't think the Matrix deals with solipsism.