Stupid, evil movie
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oliverspjuth — 9 years ago(February 01, 2017 09:41 AM)
Hey!
I was quite intrigued by your discussion, and wanted to add in some of my thought of the movie. (I'm not a native english speaker so apologies for any spelling mistakes or misuse of words).
I don't believe that the philosophy of the movie should be characterized as evil or bad but probably more as a far away dreamy and unthinkable/undoable philosophy. It's quite contradictory, i must admit, for a movie or a novell to be anti consumerism and still be in that same universe. But still I believe that the movie draws up a lot of valid points about society today, just in a very extreme way. A lot of the quotes that you listed as contradictory i wouldn't say are att all, they fit quite perfectly in with the whole philosophy of the movie. I'm not the best at debating, and certainly worse at expressing myself in a different language, but i will try. Capitalism and all that it entails is not that good or perfect if you look at the whole scheme of things, and here we will certainly differ because of different beliefs. The start/trigger of capitalism as we know it today starts at the beginning of when humans first got together and organized themselves to expand their power, a necessary step was different classes, working and ruling. Since then societies has evolved and different eras emerged. One thing in common is that we have developed more and more but at the same time created a belief that expansion and new technologies is something good for us. The only thing about society, except evolving constantly towards more power and technology is the fact that human happiness will always be limited and can't increase by any means such as technology revolutions and so on, we are as happy as we were when we were hunters and gatherers. The other thing that also is connected to capitalism is the constant increase in class division, suffering and so on, all for the greater future of more advanced technology and expansion. It is necessary that a lot of people have it worse off, for others to have it better, there's no mystery why billions of people are starving. Therefore the movie paints a beautiful picture of something that we once had, which they want to achieve in the movie with a lot of questionable techniques, but that doesn't make their goal stupid.
The whole viewpoint of this movie is largely based on your own philosophy about life, the universe and the future.
I'm 18 years old, and wrote this without much consideration of how to argument about my point, I might just be stupid, to young to understand or simply bad at putting my thoughts forward. It's quite hard, and probably makes me look stupid to bring up such a big mass of history, mankind and the mechanisms behind it, but i felt that it was necessary to make my point a bit valid even though it's most likely lacking 90% of what's needed to back the information and connect it to how i think. It's just a movie, but my understanding of it needed some explanation.
Thanks,
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johnwink — 9 years ago(February 01, 2017 11:53 AM)
You are, my young friend, quite talented and intelligent, don't sell yourself short I would love to respond more effectively but time and work right now will not allow
let me suggest a couple things to read: "Atlas Shrugged" by Ayn Rand, plus any of her non-fiction articles on capitalism, esp. "Capitalism, the Unknown Ideal" and "Human Action" by Australian economist Ludwig von Mises
We have never had pure, laissez-faire capitalism in America, but the last vestiges of just our mixed economy are our only hope, IMHO the power and corruption in today's corporations are made possible and only made possible by an infinitely more powerful, corrupt and socialist government
Just don't believe everything you hear about capitalism despite all our struggles and atrocities, esp. during the Industrial Revolution, economic free trade (even in a semi-free society) is still the greatest gift America has given the rest of the world.
To understand the "philosophy" behind most of the quotes I earlier drew from Fight Club, read Immanuel Kant
But you and a couple other gentlemen here have caused me to revise my opinion of the movie to the point where I realize that it might mostly be a simple matter of taste that separates us
(I still cannot get over the fact that so-called fight clubs are still starting up in an entirely new generation of easily influenced teens who do not have your more observant take on the film, and that can not be a good thing.)
Will check back this weekend