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HollyJollyHanukka — 9 months ago(June 12, 2025 01:18 AM)
sndifns0dfsndfn said...
Are the police omniscient? No, of course not. What a stupid question Holly. Police make arrests based on available evidence. That doesn't always mean someone will be found guilty of what they were arrested for in a court of law.
You don't need a warrant to be arrested and being arrested doesn't mean you will not have due process. This is how it works for both citizens and non-citizens.
What is ICE’s probable cause? That their skin is brown and they look illegal?
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Phaenon — 9 months ago(June 12, 2025 01:05 AM)
HollyJollyHanukka said...
Do they know EVERY PERSON they arrest has entered the country illegally?
If they don’t have a warrant, the people being arrested aren’t being afforded due process. They are being arrested based on a very subjective judgement of probable cause. ICE is not acting in good faith because everyone they arrest isn’t in the country illegally. Most of these ICE “agents” are thugs.
Due process went out the window when people were locked up without charge for over 4 years after January 6th.
I hope it comes back. But for citizens first and then for everyone else
Ding Dong
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HollyJollyHanukka — 9 months ago(June 12, 2025 01:10 AM)
Phaenon said...
Due process went out the window when people were locked up without charge for over 4 years after January 6th.
I hope it comes back. But for citizens first and then for everyone else
The January 6 defendants were indicted by grand juries. They had the option of pleading guilt front of a judge who ensured their plea was knowing and voluntary, or of going to trial and having a jury decide whether they’d been proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. They were able to file appeals if convicted, and a number of convictions were reversed on appeal. They were represented by their own lawyers. Government prosecutors were bound by the rules of professional ethics. In short, they had every ounce of due process our system provides.
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rouge — 9 months ago(June 12, 2025 01:13 AM)
HollyJollyHanukka said...
The January 6 defendants were indicted by grand juries. They had the option of pleading guilt front of a judge who ensured their plea was knowing and voluntary, or of going to trial and having a jury decide whether they’d been proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. They were able to file appeals if convicted, and a number of convictions were reversed on appeal. They were represented by their own lawyers. Government prosecutors were bound by the rules of professional ethics. In short, they had every ounce of due process our system provides.
Kudos for being literally only person who understands this and having the patience to explain it to the slow folks in the back
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sndifns0dfsndfn — 9 months ago(June 12, 2025 01:15 AM)
rouge said...
Kudos for being literally only person who understands this and having the patience to explain it to the slow folks in the back
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Phaenon — 9 months ago(June 12, 2025 01:16 AM)
HollyJollyHanukka said...
The January 6 defendants were indicted by grand juries. They had the option of pleading guilt front of a judge who ensured their plea was knowing and voluntary, or of going to trial and having a jury decide whether they’d been proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. They were able to file appeals if convicted, and a number of convictions were reversed on appeal. They were represented by their own lawyers. Government prosecutors were bound by the rules of professional ethics. In short, they had every ounce of due process our system provides.
I think you might want to apply your legal wealth upon those January 6th cases Herr Holly
The law is either consistent and just or it is not the law.
Currently due process has gone out the window and I hope it comes back.
Charity starts at home and citizens need their constitutional rights before anyone else.
I take it you donate to the Johnny Somali fund and want him back in the US?
Ding Dong
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HollyJollyHanukka — 9 months ago(June 12, 2025 01:17 AM)
Phaenon said...
I think you might want to apply your legal wealth upon those January 6th cases Herr Holly
The law is either consistent and just or it is not the law.
Currently due process has gone out the window and I hope it comes back.
Charity starts at home and citizens need their constitutional rights before anyone else.
I take it you donate to the Johnny Somali fund and want him back in the US?
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It’s a sad thing you cannot (or more likely, will not) understand the difference. This is alarming as I don’t consider you a stupid person.
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Phaenon — 9 months ago(June 12, 2025 01:21 AM)
HollyJollyHanukka said...
It’s a sad thing you cannot (or more likely, will not) understand the difference. This is alarming as I don’t consider you a stupid person.
I understand that we all enjoy the law when it's working in interests we hold dear and detest it when it's not
The proper process afforded to citizens was overlooked, to a state of being illegal, and nobody cared.
Now, because it is being used to the same extent against people who you in your interest, we want the law to stick to the letter.
It should never have failed. The fact that you let it and said nothing is on you.
It's a shame, because something like that would be so handy to so many right now.
But if you're up for a two-tier law, maybe you should have a coffee with Rouge in East Berlin
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HollyJollyHanukka — 9 months ago(June 12, 2025 01:22 AM)
Phaenon said...
I understand that we all enjoy the law when it's working in interests we hold dear and detest it when it's not
The proper process afforded to citizens was overlooked, to a state of being illegal, and nobody cared.
Now, because it is being used to the same extent against people who you in your interest, we want the law to stick to the letter.
It should never have failed. The fact that you let it and said nothing is on you.
It's a shame, because something like that would be so handy to so many right now.
But if you're up for a two-tier law, maybe you should have a coffee with Rouge in East Berlin
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You disappoint me.
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HollyJollyHanukka — 9 months ago(June 12, 2025 01:41 AM)
Phaenon said...
I was going for the cheap seats with that one
It's the only seats my people would buy a ticket for
Sorry, mister. I’m a princess.
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MovieManCin2 — 9 months ago(June 12, 2025 07:29 AM)
Phaenon said...
Due process went out the window when people were locked up without charge for over 4 years after January 6th.
I hope it comes back. But for citizens first and then for everyone else
Well said, JK!
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