Here's are some ways to tell what is a "Gay Nineties Film"
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shoeihell — 21 years ago(February 05, 2005 09:42 AM)
I said "mainstream"movies with budgets big enough to attract het actors to play gay roles, like "Jeffery" etc. There's crap in any generation of movies, even today. My point was that the 'indies' are now doing what the mainstream Hollywood types should have been doing all along with gay flixinstead of commercializing the concept of being gay for the 'sell', they're getting real about those of us who lead gay LIVES and not so much the stereotype notion of all that.
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shoeihell — 21 years ago(January 25, 2005 08:19 PM)
"And secondly, if you are trying to sound intelligent, at least find out what the phrase "begs the question" means: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begs_the_question"
I was using the phrase exactly as it was intended to be used, think through your accusation again. I was talking about life imitating art and vice versamost hets think they know gays through media representations like movies. Now, maybe you can sound more intelligentand less bitchlike.
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Nglas — 20 years ago(November 04, 2005 06:16 AM)
sho, your comments are so hypocritical! you didn't like the comment made by the author of this post because you felt that it brought about stereotypes and then you whip around and say how these so-called Indie films are more true to life. Ummmm, I saw Sugar and let me tell you, that is nowhere near my life! I saw Touch of Pink, Latter Days, and countless other indie gay flicks that had no similarities to my life. Trick, to this day, remains as close to my life as a movie can get. The clubs, the music (also, just for the record, the music that was in Trick still plays at a lot of clubs today) and the characters reminded me of places, music, and people I know in my life. I love this movie and it remains one of my favorites. A close second would be 2000's Broken Hearts Club. The most unrealistic gay themed tv show or movie is Will and Grace, but I still like it. Queer as Folk was completely similar to gay traits in some ways and the opposite in some. The sex is definitely a big part, but not to the extent it was in the show, and the campy characters like Emmett may exsist, but I don't have any in my life, nor do I want any.
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shoeihell — 20 years ago(November 04, 2005 01:16 PM)
"sho, your comments are so hypocritical! you didn't like the comment made by the author of this post because you felt that it brought about stereotypes and then you whip around and say how these so-called Indie films are more true to life. Ummmm, I saw Sugar and let me tell you, that is nowhere near my life! I saw Touch of Pink, Latter Days, and countless other indie gay flicks that had no similarities to my life. Trick, to this day, remains as close to my life as a movie can get. The clubs, the music (also, just for the record, the music that was in Trick still plays at a lot of clubs today) and the characters reminded me of places, music, and people I know in my life. I love this movie and it remains one of my favorites. A close second would be 2000's Broken Hearts Club. The most unrealistic gay themed tv show or movie is Will and Grace, but I still like it. Queer as Folk was completely similar to gay traits in some ways and the opposite in some. The sex is definitely a big part, but not to the extent it was in the show, and the campy characters like Emmett may exsist, but I don't have any in my life, nor do I want any."
Then your life is a 'stereotype' as you've lived it and you're quoting indie movies that I haven't even seen. What about L.I.E., Get Real, Beautiful Thing, Saved, etc, just to name a few. I'm glad you loved this movie with the places and people in it representing your life, but it does not represent my life as I've lived it and a whole legion of gays with similar experiences. Gay life, usually, as portrayed by the TV media and Hollywood is exactly a Will & Grace show with some variations. If you're proud of that, so be it. At least with QAF, the underlying theme was party club boys getting 'long in the tooth', faced with the reality of what would become of them after they lost their 'beauty'. Beyond the sex, the show was actually a parody onto itself.. my point was that throughout the thread those gays in Trick dont make me teary-eyed and reminiscent of the good ol 90s
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Nglas — 20 years ago(November 05, 2005 05:54 AM)
what made you a hypocrite was that you told the original poster that Trick did not represent gays you turned around and said that the indie films are more factual. And as for Beautiful Thing, I don't recall falling in love with another gay guy at 16 and dancing around with him in the street while my mother danced with a girl beside us. Saved is not a gay film, it has a gay character in it, but is not gay and was not an indie film as it was in theaters everywhere and did quite well at the box office.
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shoeihell — 20 years ago(November 05, 2005 07:40 AM)
"what made you a hypocrite was that you told the original poster that Trick did not represent gays you turned around and said that the indie films are more factual. And as for Beautiful Thing, I don't recall falling in love with another gay guy at 16 and dancing around with him in the street while my mother danced with a girl beside us. Saved is not a gay film, it has a gay character in it, but is not gay and was not an indie film as it was in theaters everywhere and did quite well at the box office."
Don't put words in my mouth, I never said ALL gay indie films are more factual about gay lives than Hollywood mainstream work. Except made-for-TV movies, I can't go to the Hollywood vault and pick out films from the 90's that are representative of the diverse gay community. I stand by what I said and can easily give you a list of indie "gay films" that would depict a more realistic approach to gay life other than you've known. Movies like Jeffery and Philadelphia, Broken Hearts Club are prime examples of Hollywood pandering to a heterosexual audience through the stereotype concept of gay males. My point is that we ALL didn't live that way in the 90's and possibly our lives were too mundane because we didn't die from AIDS, screw in the alley of clubs and/or flame about for Hollywood to consider our story. Sometime in the near future, the heterosexual masses will tire of watching self-deprecating, queenie characters like 'Jack' on Will & Grace and the genre' will change. I'm very well aware of people out there who fit into your idea of the 'wonderful' gay movie characters from the 90's.we all know them. It's sad that perhaps you don't know more who were not.
And youre wrong about Savedit was officially an indie. For your information, indies are often shown around the country in limited theater distribution. They all arent limited to art theaters hidden in NYC and LA. -
Nglas — 20 years ago(November 26, 2005 11:29 PM)
And I insist that Saved was not played in select theaters, it was promoted heavily on network television. I remember everyone talking about it because it was going to poke fun at the christian community's two faced antics.
Jeffrey was such a bad movie I couldn't even finish watching it and I never watched Philadelphia, as I don't like Tom Hanks. But Trick and The Broken Hearts Club are two of my faves. A really awful gay movie would be In and Out. That was the WORST portrayal of gays. -
shoeihell — 20 years ago(November 27, 2005 01:39 PM)
"And I insist that Saved was not played in select theaters, it was promoted heavily on network television. I remember everyone talking about it because it was going to poke fun at the christian community's two faced antics."
I don't know if you live on the coast or what, but "Saved!" was only shown in selected theaters (limited release) across the country. It never even came close to a place where I could view it, for example. I never saw those commercials you speak of, because the movie didn't come this way.
"Jeffrey was such a bad movie I couldn't even finish watching it and I never watched Philadelphia, as I don't like Tom Hanks. A really awful gay movie would be In and Out. That was the WORST portrayal of gays.
Don't bother with Philadelphia, as Hanks doesn't pull of playing a gay character AT ALL. And I totally agree, "In and Out" was the worst case of mainstream producers and actors pandering to a largely heterosexual audience at our expense, that I've ever seen-and I've seen some stinkers! This movie was totally an exercise in self-deprecation and clearly pandering to someone else besides gays. -
Nglas — 20 years ago(November 28, 2005 12:56 AM)
Tom Selleck was probably the worst, he should face facts and the fact is that his biggest role will always be Magnum PI.
About Saved, I remember the commercials showing the cattiness of Mandy Moore. Most people in my area (a small West Tennessee town) would laugh hysterically at the previews that would show her throwing her Bible at Jena Malone and shouting," I am filled with Christ's love" In this town, we NEVER get gay themed movies, I am still shocked that Rent is playing. -
Nglas — 20 years ago(December 11, 2005 02:41 AM)
I agree, as movies shouldn't always have to send out a message. This is one of those movies that are just feel good movies, the kind you chill out and watch. I had a tooth pulled the other day and spend my last three days off on painkillers watching movies and I popped in The Broken Hearts Club and enjoyed myself.
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shoeihell — 20 years ago(December 12, 2005 04:46 PM)
DO see it, I haven't met anyone gay who didn't like it so far, but so few have actually seen it-none of my friends as of yet.:-( I don't know if you've been there yet, but the message board for BBM on IMDb is crazy. Fastest moving board I ever saw, but being trolled and flamed like crazy.
This movie definitely captured a great feel and atmosphere of the late nineties 