This movie is terrible! I don't normally express my thoughts through this kind of medium, but after watching Bless the
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SHaGGGz — 19 years ago(June 25, 2006 06:40 PM)
@ballerbabe:
god supposedly gave us free will so it is our "god given right" to kill ourselves if we so choose. i dont even know why i went with the premise that god exists and all this biblical nonsense. i feel stupider already.
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BaLLeRbAbE0930 — 19 years ago(June 25, 2006 07:22 PM)
uhh ya God gave us a free will but not with the intention of allowing us to kill ourselves God loved us so much that in creating us he gave us the freedom to reject that love that is the point of free will and if some people freely choose to commit suicide.. they are rejecting God's love and saying that his plan does not work for them and there is no other way even though there is and the way is through him
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pheaho — 19 years ago(June 26, 2006 07:01 PM)
You know - I do believe in God. And the uses of religion. And I know of a mother who thinks that this movie would confirm/strengthen her religious beliefs. I know of a sister who would bang her head on the wall for such a comment. And then there's me - I think that I was created (or evolved - I have no issues here) with an inquiring mind. I think that the God I believe in would accuse me of wasting my talents if I did not explore what this world has to offer. And that if I accidentally did something wrong and was sorry for it, He (or She, again, no issues) would forgive me. Judgement is a timewaster promulgated by humans. A God of love does not judge - and if you love others, neither will you.
Just my 2 cents - no offence intended
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redcar45 — 19 years ago(June 28, 2006 04:46 AM)
isnt there also a quote "u make plans ans god laughs"
this means god knows how ur life will pan out before u make a choice.so wouldnt that also mean that god knows that u will commit suicide? and if this is true how can u go to hell and it being a sin if god knew u were going to do this all along? -
elidnelson — 19 years ago(June 28, 2006 10:31 AM)
No offense but that didn't make a whole lot of sense. Just because God knows you're going to do something doesn't change whether it is a sin or not. If God knows I'm going to murder someone, because He is omnipotent and outside of time, it is still a sin. I still had the choice to murder or not murder. To kill myself or not to kill myself.
However, I've never heard the quote "you make plans and God laughs" and I'm not exactly sure where or if the Bible says that taking your own life is an unforgivable sin. -
SHaGGGz — 19 years ago(June 28, 2006 01:14 PM)
look guys the universe is just like an unfathomably complex computer program, with fixed variables and fixed rules by which those variables function. every single atom in this universe abides by fundamental rules. so this leaves no room for free will, we are merely minds that react to the sum total of what we have become and what the world around us has become (nature + nurture). of course we have the illusion of free will and choice, because we "decide" to do things, but which decision we arrive to invariably relies on and is the result of the aforementioned things. i guess this view can be described as stoic, but relies on logic and reality instead of theological nonsense (but you can call all of these variables "god" if it makes you more comfortable with confronting reality, it doesnt change a thing).
for this outlook to work i guess one would have to reject chaos theory and the randomness of the universe it believes in. but even if you do subscribe to chaos theory it doesnt change much instead of being the outcome of the sum total of things before and around us which has only one possible outcome, we are the result of random molecule collisions, neither of which are in our control.
so of course, this whole outlook implies that none of us can be blamed for anything we do, but so what? does that mean that we should do whatever we want? no, because this reality still exists, and so do the consequences of our actions.
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jbaker1-2 — 19 years ago(July 04, 2006 10:08 AM)
"No offense but that didn't make a whole lot of sense. Just because God knows you're going to do something doesn't change whether it is a sin or not. If God knows I'm going to murder someone, because He is omnipotent and outside of time, it is still a sin. I still had the choice to murder or not murder. To kill myself or not to kill myself."
Did you really?
If God is truly omniscient, then you cannot choose to do anything other than what God already knows you're going to do. If, for example, God knows you're going to murder your wife at ten minutes past four next Friday afternoon, then you cannot choose to not murder your wife, nor, for that matter, can you choose to murder her at any time other than ten past four next Friday. If you can make another choice, then God didn't really know what you were going to do, and is therefore not all-knowing.
Omniscience and free will cannot coexist. If God is omniscient, then free will does not exist. If free will exists, then God is not omniscient. You can't have it both ways.
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SHaGGGz — 19 years ago(March 17, 2007 05:02 AM)
unless one subscribes to weak determinism, jbaker. either way, its useless arguing with religious simpletons. relying on an undisprovable principle does have its benefits. but just because you cant disprove the existence of batman doesnt mean he exists.
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Tracey73 — 11 years ago(March 14, 2015 09:46 AM)
. If God knows I'm going to murder someone, because He is omnipotent and outside of time, it is still a sin. I still had the choice to murder or not murder. To kill myself or not to kill myself.
I am a Christian who believes that God gave us all free will but also knows everything. That being said, I do not believe that God condemns those who are suffering (mentally) and takes their own life. Suicide and mental illness are such complex subjects. Being in a suicidal state of mind is not a "choice." Being severely mentally ill is not a choice.
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goldpink23 — 10 years ago(October 19, 2015 09:23 PM)
@elidnelson.
and I'm not exactly sure where or if the Bible says that taking your own life is an unforgivable sin.
One of the Ten commandments is
"Tho shall not kill"
.Therefore killing yourself is a
SIN
.
i'm done here