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    Omegamorph — 11 years ago(September 30, 2014 01:38 AM)

    not really
    I saw worlds burning. I saw more; I saw the birth of a star.

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      preachcaleb — 11 years ago(September 30, 2014 06:10 AM)

      Yes, really.
      Kroenen is a clockwork creature, not steampunk. Steam is actually a key ingredient for steampunk.
      Does IMDB hate apostrophes?

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        Omegamorph — 11 years ago(September 30, 2014 06:12 AM)

        Again, no. That's a pretty restrictive way of defining it.
        I saw worlds burning. I saw more; I saw the birth of a star.

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          preachcaleb — 11 years ago(September 30, 2014 06:20 AM)

          Again, yes, because that IS the definition. There is no other definition. It's like taking the salt out of salt water and claiming it's still salt water. You're missing the key ingredient.
          You can't have steampunk without steam.
          And as I pointed out, Kroenen is clockwork, not steampunk. He runs on gears that are winded. You know, like a clock.
          He doesn't run on steam. You know, like steam engines.
          Does IMDB hate apostrophes?

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            Omegamorph — 11 years ago(September 30, 2014 01:50 PM)

            No it's not. Steampunk outfits or costumes do not need to have steam machinery going on. Steampunk is broader than just steam machinery.
            I saw worlds burning. I saw more; I saw the birth of a star.

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              preachcaleb — 11 years ago(September 30, 2014 02:08 PM)

              He's not wearing steampunk clothing either.
              Plus, the original point was that him winding himself up was steampunk. It's not. It's clockwork.

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                Omegamorph — 11 years ago(October 01, 2014 12:19 PM)

                Certain aspects of the costume design, the big glossy eyepieces, the style of the various masks, the decorations on the vest and yes, the clockwork which
                is
                a common element in many steampunk works they all seem to be pretty in line with steampunk visuals.
                Is he supposed to evoke a steampunk vibe? Maybe. Del Toro loves that kind of visual.
                Can people see it as such? Certainly.
                I saw worlds burning. I saw more; I saw the birth of a star.

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                  preachcaleb — 11 years ago(October 01, 2014 01:01 PM)

                  You make very interesting points. In terms of visuals, Kroenen is certainly steam punk inspired.
                  But in regards to him winding himself up, that's clock punk, not steam punk.
                  Does IMDB hate apostrophes?

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                    Omegamorph — 11 years ago(October 01, 2014 06:37 PM)

                    Most people just call that steampunk, which has become an umbrella term for many visual styles.
                    Don't know what you mean by "winding himself up".
                    I saw worlds burning. I saw more; I saw the birth of a star.

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                      preachcaleb — 11 years ago(October 02, 2014 06:05 AM)

                      And yeah, most people use that term, but they don't always use it right. People look at a Victorian house and call it gothic architecture.
                      What I mean is when he sticks the key into his chest and winds up his gears to fight or get off the operating table. That's clock punk because he's built and wound up like an elaborate clock. Del Toro is a big fan of that: Cronos, the final battle in Hellboy II, and of course, the running theme of the watch in Pan's Labyrinth.
                      Does IMDB hate apostrophes?

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                        Omegamorph — 11 years ago(October 02, 2014 09:20 AM)

                        It's legitimate to label it as steampunk though. Steampunk includes a lot of visual subgenres. It's like someone calling an Iguana a Reptile and someone else saying "wrong! It's an Iguanidae!"
                        I saw worlds burning. I saw more; I saw the birth of a star.

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                          preachcaleb — 11 years ago(October 02, 2014 10:05 AM)

                          Yes, visually, Kroenen is steampunk.
                          But not mechanically, which was the original point. He runs on clock punk, not steampunk.
                          It's like saying a toad is a frog. Visually, they are similar. But they are not the same animal.
                          Does IMDB hate apostrophes?

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                              Omegamorph — 11 years ago(October 02, 2014 10:53 AM)

                              Ah, I thought you were replying to the OP. I blame the nesting system of the boards.
                              I saw worlds burning. I saw more; I saw the birth of a star.

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                                chilone — 10 years ago(May 18, 2015 12:44 PM)

                                Steampunk refers to a subgenre of science fiction and sometimes fantasyalso in recent years a fashion and lifestyle movementthat incorporates technology and aesthetic designs
                                inspired
                                by 19th-century industrial steam-powered machinery.
                                I don't love her.. She kicked me in the face!!

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                                  Kruleworld — 10 years ago(May 28, 2015 10:23 PM)

                                  Don't know what you mean by "winding himself up".
                                  He calls himself an azz hole
                                  "He's dusted, busted and disgusted, but he's ok"

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                                    DracTarashV — 9 years ago(May 15, 2016 07:22 PM)

                                    Not the most admirable movie character (heh), but yeah, he's a pretty cool villain.
                                    You want something corny? You got it!

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