Is HellBoy an abomination to God?
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Creedence_Leonore_Gielgud — 14 years ago(April 12, 2011 09:29 PM)
Please don't lump Fundies in with Catholics. Thanks.
Then please stop acting like fundiesi.e. opposing abortion, birth control, gay rights, universal health care, etc. Thanks.
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LittleMissDysthymia — 14 years ago(April 12, 2011 10:17 PM)
opposing abortion, birth control, gay marriage
We've been against those things for 2000 years, if anything the Fundies are copying us in those matters (while discarding everything else and replacing it with their counterfeit brand of Christianity).
universal health care
The Church has no problem with universal health care where did you hear otherwise?
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zombiefugnut — 14 years ago(April 22, 2011 02:05 AM)
We've been against those things for 2000 years, if anything the Fundies are copying us in those matters (while discarding everything else and replacing it with their counterfeit brand of Christianity).
So you don't want to be lumped in with people who believe disgusting, ignorant harmful things, not because you're against these beliefs but because you feel they have been stolen from you? Classic. -
LittleMissDysthymia — 14 years ago(April 22, 2011 10:28 AM)
So you don't want to be lumped in with people who believe disgusting, ignorant harmful things
The Catholic Church doesn't believe in "disgusting ignorant harmful things". When the Church makes these decisions it does so with the best interests of humanity in mind.
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MuggySphere — 11 years ago(November 26, 2014 07:50 PM)
We've been against those things for 2000 years, if anything the Fundies are copying us in those matters (while discarding everything else and replacing it with their counterfeit brand of Christianity).
HILARIOUS!!!!!!!!!!!!
I always laugh when I see one group claiming to be christian say the others are all fake. All christian seem to do this. I thought you all worshiped the same god?
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LittleMissDysthymia — 11 years ago(November 27, 2014 01:47 PM)
We do, it's just that Catholicism is the best way to go about it. We have 7 Sacraments, they only have 2. Our Priests have apostolic succession (a direct lineage of the priesthood from the Apostles till now), they don't. We have the Eucharist, they only have 'communion'. We have Sacred Tradition as well as Sacred Scripture, they only have Scripture. Our Bibles have 72 books, theirs have only 66. We have a Pope (St Peter's spiritual descendants), they don't.
They can still get to heaven, it's just that they are making it harder for themselves by limiting their resources. Well that and they're all obsessed with that End Times Left Behind Rapture crap.
Anywho, the Catholic Church has been around for 2000 years, Protestants have been around for 500 years, and Fundamentalism is about 150 years old.
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zombiehax — 12 years ago(June 28, 2013 09:59 AM)
Fundamentalist Christians really crack me up. If you can't watch a movie, because you think it might disturb your faith, then your faith isn't very strong in the first place.
I think you should pray more, and do some Hell Marys. Head bunt the wall after each Hell Mary to help you stay strong in these dire times of evil and Satan's trickery.
HAHAHAHA!
But on a serious noteReligion is very funny.
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Dyonus — 15 years ago(October 31, 2010 12:01 AM)
I'm a Christian. I like Hellboy.
Okay, please keep some things in mind: Hellboy was born a demon and raised Catholic (he came over to Earth when he was a baby). In a sense, he gets a bad rap because of what he was born as, not as what he does. The whole first movie is about his choice to be good when people see him as a demon and when the villain (Rasputin) tempts him and tries to take control over him.
Not once in either movie does he purposely act demonic. The time he does is because he's being controlled.
He carries around a crossnot for protection, but because he's a Catholic. This isn't heavily touched on, mind you, which is why I believe it isn't for protection.
The good he does isn't out of redemption, it is because he was raised to do good by his adopted father.
Hellboy is the ONLY demon portrayed in a positive light and it is to show that even people from a bad parentage can do good things.
No, Hellboy isn't the best role model because he cusses, disobeys his adopted father (on occasion), smokes, etc., but that's because he's an action hero. Many do that without being a demons. Actually, his acts of rebellion come from him being portrayed as a teenager, despite looking older. He and his kind age slower than humans. Sneaks off to his girl, smokes when he's not supposed to, sulks, etc. He's like a big red teenager.
See, I think this movie is misunderstood, much like the character. You see it as being demonic and Satan promoting and that's exactly how people see him despite the fact that deeper down, it isn't.
Okay, if you don't pay attention to anything else I wrote in the post, I at least want you to read this: this IS a work of fiction and if you try to take your religious beliefs from it, you need to reevaluate your beliefs. Also, I've disagreed with movies before and still liked them.
I also want to sayI understand where Hellboy is coming from. My father, while not a demon, wasn't a very nice guy. You know that guy in the family who no one ever talks about? That's my dad in my family. I am very thankful my family doesn't think of me like they think of him. And that's the way it is with Hellboy. People don't want to see him as his own person. People just want to see him as a demon, destined to do demon things and be a demon.
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Newski_the_Hippie — 15 years ago(December 28, 2010 11:28 AM)
I'm a Christian, but I don't let that determine what I like and don't like to watch. Because movies are entertainments, and we can detach. We can take the good messages, the positive messages, and leave the negative.
That being said, Hellboy is a good, decent, moral story about a man who fights against evil. Hellboy himself is a very positive character, being less of a demon and more of an average joe who just happens to have demonic origins, Which is what came across so strongly when I first saw the film. I've read comics like "Spawn" or "Son of Satan" as a kid and immediately threw them out, because the entire time I wanted them to "Stop being crybabies" essentially. I am not a fan of all the brooding over the origins.
Hellboy had some issues with his appearance, and his supposed destiny, but he never let that stop him from being who he was, which was "Blue Collar Guy". He's a good natured guy, who fights bad guys.
If you read the comics, it's very clear Hellboy himself is a Christian. In the movies, that is downplayed and religious elements are less of a sign of his faith but his connection to the man he calls his father, which again, is not a bad move on the part of the writers because it's not a religious story. But it is a father and son story. Hellboy himself, while not being perfect, what with his anger problems and all, is a good, devoted son.
I believe that we do find ourselves finding role models from movies when we are kids. I also think we are smart enough to find the good ones, and know what makes them good. A kid who sees Hellboy might want to be more like Hellboy, and their isn't anything wrong with that. Of course, I have my own Hellboy costume so clearly i want to be more like Hellboy.
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ZAROVE — 15 years ago(December 30, 2010 12:00 PM)
AS others have Stated, the movie is actually a Christian one, to the extend that its about the ability of people to choose who they are.
In regards to Demons and Redemption, one may believe that Demons cannot be Redeemed, However, not all do. C.S. Lewis thought that those in Hell were there by their own choices, and could leave if theyd just embrace God. If you read The Screwtape Letters or The Great Divorce youd see that Lewis believes that even if in Hell one can be redeemed. Hellboy wasnt even in Hell, hes a semi-mortal creature who was created as a Physical vessel for a Demonic Soul, to be used as a Weapon to destroy then remake the World.
But, he chose against this, and now wishes to do good.
Is he perfect? No, but hes hardly Satanic, and the point of the film is that he can make that choice for himself in spite of his Origins. -
Newski_the_Hippie — 15 years ago(March 19, 2011 04:38 PM)
It does have Christian themes, however. And I was under the impression that Del Toro was Agnostic, not Atheist. He's got a Catholic Upbringing which helped him to bring some of the best the Religion had and put it in there, thematically. However, he stated in the commentary that it's not a religious movie. Religious themes are present because of Hellboy's Catholic Father, and one would assume that if not Catholic, Hellboy himself has a connection.
Religion is much more prevailant in the comics, of course.