Jinnah The Great
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rajiv_kuin — 17 years ago(August 08, 2008 03:24 AM)
dear fabsab your statements are politically correct and thats what is left with you guys there
"For your information, most Pakistani's probably dont care that Musharraf and his wife drink, that is up to them."
Well this guys rules you like father like son he is the one who defines your charater so you are what he is
"Only a Muslim understands what the true meaning of Islam is, so you don't need to come on the board of the secular founder of Pakistan and try and create tension."
I have lived 10 years with muslims today my partners and my friends are all muslims i know islam the way Quran explains and i dont think there are many complication here anyone would understand islam cause its clear and just and pure in its wording and advantage is that you dont have many versions of Quran.. like bible has many versions so let me tell you its not hard to understand islam and respect it as far as Jinnah is concerned secularism is good but then what was the need of pakistan if you are secular.. let hindus and muslims stay together in india, let there be civil war if that takes people to learn, america faced it and once for all what goes wrong infact nothing goes wrong then About nativity of pakistanis, when there was no pakistan then how come they are native pakistanis its a land india had to shell out as a cost of its independence and i like it or not does not matter but thats simply the fact they were native indians and there was no pakistan before 1947 I dont think anybody ever said pakistan as homeland for indian muslims it was just a product of greed and lust of a man you dont like to hear it but you can not justify it either Just telling people that you dont understand it only tells how intelligent you are cause you think others are fools i never want to discuss hinduism or islam here cause if you think you are smart there is nothing called hinduism, indian philosophy of religion lets you follow whatever god you want to and its between you and the god to decide you were right or wrong thats why there are thousands of names of god and they are all resepcted and if you ever follow Dr. Zakir naik then you gonna find out that only vedas defined that god would be worshiped as Allah and Mr. mohd would start this way of worshiping thats 2000 years before islam was born, you have Mohammad as name there, place of his birth defined, name of his mother and father defined in vedas, I only came accross this cause i give full respect to islam and when i watched Dr. Naik i had an open mind all this binds us into just one god and i dont know why you just want to run away like jinnah did you can go to youtube and see his lectures i hope you have some faith in Dr. Naik and dont blame him for supporting hindu agenda -
rajiv_kuin — 17 years ago(August 08, 2008 04:08 AM)
ok guys i good news is that i read 14 points of Mr. jinnah
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourteen_Points_of_Jinnah
here you can go and see his secular nature he is secular but wanted indirectly or directly, muslims to rule most of the india secularism means you dont even mention religion just let the talented rise to top thats what happens in india prime minister is sikh last president was muslim people say sonia is all powerful person and she was an italian before she married rajiv well now thats not secular then god help those who gonna bring secularism to this world -
isiagent — 17 years ago(October 19, 2008 08:42 PM)
huh-ha..,60 years passed and indians still cant get over it..get a grip guys..Pakistan still exists as an independent state good or bad we are surviving and who the beep fills ur heads with the fancy dream of ""india won 4 wars""
perhaps cuz thats what u have been told and fed into ur brains and u have NO IDEA of the losses u have suffered in those wars despite of bad weponry and smaller army pakistan has caused u more losses than u can imagine..considering the size and small population of Pakistan..smaller army etc its shameful for uall the 4 wars u so much like to mention were caused by indian agression.. perhaps indians shud start digging things on theor own rather than believeing what they are being told.
like father like son ? duh ur fathers a sikh these days i suppose u follow that faith now ? and that wud mean ur faith changes ever couple of years following ur own philosophy.
Pakistan still exists on the Map and it WILL.. and Pakistanis are happy where they areget a grip and stop crying already -
Ostar9 — 17 years ago(December 11, 2008 11:48 PM)
How interesting about the only post on this thread that made any sense was this one. Boy, oh boy, how the world laughs at us squabbling children. Idiots on both sides of the border. What both India and Pakistan need, is another exodus like the Partition, but this time, we send all the idiots on both sides to go live on a sinking island somewhere. I nominate most of the people on this thread right now.
Rats!! I did it again - Adolf Hitler. -
rajiv_kuin — 17 years ago(December 28, 2008 02:24 PM)
Oh yeh you guys are smart just cause you can say smile and be happy while the negative we are talking is actually a part of everyday life of people here dont you see what is happening here and want us to just say lets are all friends live in your own dreamland before some sinks it
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rajiv_kuin — 17 years ago(March 26, 2009 09:45 AM)
I have no idea which world you live in ahmed does anybody need a bad experience with pakistan.. whole world is suffering cause of this single country they play games with both talibans and rest of the world these people are the breeders of most of terrorists in this world now just cause you are a british born muslim with paki roots stops you from accepting the fact that everybody life in this whole world is getting affected by the way pak exists.. let me clearify two things to you and rest of the people on the thread pakistan is a country that is there now and is going to exist forever Indians dont have any problem with pakistans existence we are right next to them and the way they keep exporting terrorists to india is a genuine concern
This is a failed country and whole world is in pain due to that even if you love your country guys.. accept this fact so that you can start to fix it
" Jinnah made pakistan because he felt he would never be accepted as prime minister and believed muslims would be outcasts in a hindu dominant country which is understandable. you're just a racist who wants this trouble to carry on."
Wow now you talk your heart out haa haa i have two partners in my business and both are muslim jinah made pakistan cause he would never be accepted as prime minister wow so one man lust for power can be reason for dividing the country resulting in millions dead now you are a smart guy who could really justify that and i praise you a lot for it..
and what now. are muslims outcasted in india even with pak in existence we have almost the same number of muslim in india as there are in pak while after indepandance the population of hindus in pak has gone down from 39% to only 1%
You think you are really cool and ignore the facts i see you as this guy from movie matrix where he says "ignorance is bliss" haa haa
I say whole of pakistan is paying price of jinnahs lust of power and a bad governance system he created give me a single reason appart from your emotions to prove me wrong compare the countries on any grounds and tell me where you think pak has any chance to be called a normal state -
manibhaai — 17 years ago(March 28, 2009 03:07 PM)
talking abt facts well most of ur own so called facts can be rubbed in ur face but it would be just an other encounter with just another indian who is constantly indulging himself in denial or everything and logic and likes to believe what he has been told by duur darshan and cnn and got knows what nonsense rather than willing to go cross border and collecting facts for himself.so yeah i wont even bother wasting any arguements with u and for the likes of u all i can say is watch out or someone rom Pakistan might blow up another bomb up urs while u would be sleeping cuz pakistanis are terrorist after all right ? so keep ur rear safe.
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rajiv_kuin — 17 years ago(April 03, 2009 09:43 AM)
you are an assole you know why.. cause i am saying you guys are victims and you feel it hurts your ego to be victims to terrorism the biggest reason you can not get over this issue is that you dont want to accept it in the first place, what doordarshan, CNN, BBC who is in denial.. you want to say only pakistan TV is right and whole world media is wrong when everyone is on the other side of table you got to do some soul searching
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fcvenom11 — 16 years ago(November 25, 2009 04:53 PM)
I really am ashamed by reading the comments that have been posted here. First of all, some Muslims who posted about hinduism, they should know that in Islam degrading another religon is strictly fobidden. Everyone should be given the liberty to follow any faith. Those who do are not really TRUE Muslims.
Musharraf drinking, is not our problem. If he drinks then he is not a Muslim. It is simple as that.
The people who say that Jinnah served his own personal agenda should really consult the history. At that time rarely did the muslims have a job higher than a cleaner or a soldier. Muslims were not given enough importance. Furthermore, Jinnah had Tuberculosis. Doctors had given him a time span of when he was going to die and he died just after a year of the independence. So how could he have had a lust for power if he knew he was going to die soon.
India is economically a stable country than Pakistan by a long shot, no doubt about that. But the allegation that Pakistan produces all the terrorists is absurd.
With Respect.To receive Respect -
rajiv_kuin — 16 years ago(January 10, 2010 03:37 AM)
Ok first of all be sure that comments i posted are not against muslims we have 25 millions of them in India. my comments are very rude and i know that.. but they are directed towards pakistanis i have nothing against a religion but yes this is a regional issue jinnah gave a clear warning that he will start a civil war in india if pakistan is not made no one can ever deny that pakistanis love him for it cause they think thats what created pakistan and i would like to ask if that is fair for the country that was here for 5000 years.. history stands to prove that india was united under askhoka and all those kings for thousands of years.. even the british rule in india identified that part of india as indian soil.. so partition is a pain for every indian, even if pakistanis try to carry it like a trophy
Then comes jinnah. the best way to see his character is by his own actions he put forward a 14 point agenda to keep india united you can read that on wikipedia now i ask you two questions:- Does that make any sense other than making sure that other party wont accept it, even if muslims needed upliftment still try to read what level of upliftment he is talking about.
- Now he never wanted minorities to be ruled and oppressed by majority and i stand for him on this, i am totally against it myself even though his 14 point for trash in my words and i know he agreed with me more than anyone else on earth cause he never bothered to implement those points for the minorities of pakistan
Your guys tell me what you will call a man, who makes a point and then devides a country over it and then throws the same into trash bin cause it has served his personal motive. there were 39% non muslims in pakistan during the devide now less than 1%.. there were 7% muslims in india during partition and now 25% we dont need to fight here to know where there is fairness
about your saying he had one year left and that will make him a saint you are wrong Lust for power will not let you change even if you have one hour left in your life
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rajiv_kuin — 16 years ago(January 10, 2010 03:45 AM)
Ok first of all be sure that comments i posted are not against muslims we have 25 millions of them in India. my comments are very rude and i know that.. but they are directed towards pakistanis i have nothing against a religion but yes this is a regional issue jinnah gave a clear warning that he will start a civil war in india if pakistan is not made no one can ever deny that pakistanis love him for it cause they think thats what created pakistan and i would like to ask if that is fair for the country that was here for 5000 years.. history stands to prove that india was united under askhoka and all those kings for thousands of years.. even the british rule in india identified that part of india as indian soil.. so partition is a pain for every indian, even if pakistanis try to carry it like a trophy
Then comes jinnah. the best way to see his character is by his own actions he put forward a 14 point agenda to keep india united you can read that on wikipedia now i ask you two questions:- Does that make any sense other than making sure that other party wont accept it, even if muslims needed upliftment still try to read what level of upliftment he is talking about.
- Now he never wanted minorities to be ruled and oppressed by majority and i stand for him on this, i am totally against it myself even though his 14 point for trash in my words and i know he agreed with me more than anyone else on earth cause he never bothered to implement those points for the minorities of pakistan
Your guys tell me what you will call a man, who makes a point and then devides a country over it and then throws the same into trash bin cause it has served his personal motive. there were 39% non muslims in pakistan during the devide now less than 1%.. there were 7% muslims in india during partition and now 25% we dont need to fight here to know where there is fairness
about your saying he had one year left and that will make him a saint you are wrong Lust for power will not let you change even if you have one hour left in your life