And to a terrible Salvadorean prison?
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Corwin — 11 months ago(April 15, 2025 12:13 AM)
Not jumping to conclusions either - I am genuinely asking.
It would seem to see if he was wrongly deported, through an administrative error, it would show that the Trump Administration still follows the rule of law if they brought him back…I have no dog in this particular fight. -
Nick Freedom — 11 months ago(April 15, 2025 03:29 AM)
And yet here you are, bitching your whiny leftard nonsense as if the leftard media isn't doing enough of it to please your busybody globalist self all the way up there in Canada.
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Innocent User — 11 months ago(April 15, 2025 07:33 AM)
Not jumping to conclusions either
Sorry, I was speaking in general terms, but didn't make that very clear.
It would seem to see if he was wrongly deported, through an administrative error,
It looks like the administrative error is that he has immunity from deportation, not that he isn't potentially a criminal gang member deserving of incarceration. That's an important point. The media seem reluctant to make that clear and it's clouding everyone's judgement. We're being painted a picture of an innocent man just minding his own business suddenly swept up by men with assault rifles and flown down to that hell hole prison. The guy is allegedly a gang member but all the media are giving us is his family's side of the story. Of course they'll say he's an angel.
it would show that the Trump Administration still follows the rule of law if they brought him back…
How about if Trump does everything he's legally obliged to do in response to this alleged error? Which, to be fair, he's doing. He just doesn't seem to be leveraging any geopolitical capital.
Why don't El Salvador want to hand him back? What's their motive? If the media would be honest about who the deportation immune guy actually is, and give us everyone's side of the story, instead of only giving a voice to the people crying, we most likely wouldn't even be interested in this issue.
I have no dog in this particular fight.
Of course you don't. You've always been right down the middle politically and usually don't have a problem with Trump.
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Vlad. — 11 months ago(April 16, 2025 09:42 AM)
It’s interesting.
There is significant risk of recession with my industry being particularly sensitive to that downturn risk (positively and negatively, the balance of which we are still exploring). But I’m an optimistic opportunist with a slight right wing bias. You have TDS. Savory and sweet, baby. Like peanut butter and jelly
On principle I don’t like how Keynesian it is. His is not the economic policy I would support if I’m sticking true to how I’ve traditionally viewed economics.
It is risky. The calculus is to upend the established global order such that the US ends in a favorable position relatively. The resulting market volatility you’re asking if I like, I can see areas where this will lead to opportunities to restructure a dysfunctional post-Covid economy.
The Dow crashing and coming back I don’t really care about at this point because the market is like a clingy girlfriend and very emotional. Whatever, we need more time to see if this transforms or ends the relationship. Maybe we get with the hotter sister
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Corwin — 11 months ago(April 16, 2025 10:34 AM)
I am not actually asking about market volatility either - that's an MMC2 level of discourse.
I am asking about economic fundamentals. If almost all goods and msny services become more expensive, including your raw resources and intermediary products; if international partners either have less money to buy your goods or are less willing to buy American; if the housing crisis is exacerbated because lumber and aluminum and other construction materials are more expensive; if international tourism to the US is cut by say a third for a few years; if the bond market is stressed.
All to get more (largely, increasingly automated) factories physically back in America.
The strategy may work to a degree if other states quickly cave but not all countries are craven. We won't name names here because, well, possible hurt feelings. But looking at China and Canada that's not the case.
You say that I have TDS, but I would counter that there's a level of delusion or if not willing blindness in your position that is 'interesting', as you say.
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Corwin — 11 months ago(April 15, 2025 10:53 AM)
On your last point, the globalist, Marxist, busybody thing is more of a preference and a hobby than a political stripe. But no, I think Trump wasn't a good President before and he's doing an even worse job this time.
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Innocent User — 11 months ago(April 15, 2025 10:59 AM)
Exactly. So, you don't like Trump, don't think he's capable, and are easily persuaded toward the narrative that he's failing.
Have you seen the video that Lilith linked? I think that pretty conclusively puts the whole issue to bed.
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Innocent User — 11 months ago(April 15, 2025 11:08 AM)
Yes, I think so. Every single time there's a news story about Trump you're on the side that says he's wrong/stupid/evil/corrupt etc.
Can you name a time you made a favorable judgement toward the guy? Or admit when you've made an unfavourable judgement and then been proven wrong?
This thread speaks for itself on the latest issue, once you watch the video in Lilith's post.
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Innocent User — 11 months ago(April 15, 2025 11:25 AM)
We each have blind spots where Trump is concerned. More than happy to admit mine. I see a story "Trump is a clown" and I think there has to be more to it because he's not stupid. I dig around, and if I can't find published information that explains his actions I dig deeper and try to build a narrative that makes sense from bits of information and my own understanding of geopolitics.
Take the tariffs discussion. Nothing of what I said is established fact, it was all speculation, but I admit that, and did so at the time. It looks likely that I'll be made a fool of too, because he seems to be backing down all over the place, and ****ing up the plan I figured he was pursuing.
I think you do the opposite. You see a "Trump is a clown" story and you just regurgitate what the news channels of your choice tell you to think. I know you're a highly intelligent man, and I wouldn't want to go up against you in some sort of Mastermind competition, but it makes me wince seeing you make a kneejerk reaction to some of the crap that gets passed around by mainstream media.
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Corwin — 11 months ago(April 15, 2025 11:42 AM)
Alternate theory: I came around to free trade, through reading and discussion, when NAFTA was being argued for my country. And let me tell you, there were reasonable people who opposed it from reasonable perspectives. In the end, I was convinced more by the benefits, and the intervening decades have only given me more evidence that free trade has more benefits than drawbacks. So my perspective hasn't changed.
And on everything else, I believe in the rule of law and checks and balances. This story seems a bit of a departure from that.
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Innocent User — 11 months ago(April 15, 2025 12:30 PM)
I agree free trade has more benefits than drawbacks. In times of peace. Trump is clearly torn between what he knows must be done, what he knows he cannot say out loud, and what the short-term thinking markets demand.
When you have to build the machinery of war during fighting, maintain it, replace it, and upgrade it, you need your own manufacturing capabilities, and you need them to be able to deliver at scale. I don't think most people understand this simple truth. Even Russia, with its Lend Lease boost, still needed every factory it could find to build tanks and planes to fight the Nazis.
Who will Lend Lease to the US if war breaks out?
Trump is being pressured into returning to short term thinking, so we'll never get to see the end results. That keeps me awake at night, because we're growing weaker every day, while our enemies grow stronger.
And on everything else, I believe in the rule of law and checks and balances.
I know. I believe laws need to make sense, morally, and also that the law is an ass. So, I'm happier to take each issue on its merits and question whether the law is being used with the best intentions, or whether it's being used to undermine security, democracy, the economy, or culture.
And last I think that you are simply wrong that antagonizing allies makes the US stronger.
If those allies aren't meeting their obligations, militarily, why do they matter? They won't be there for America when needed unless pushed to stand on their own two feet. It's easier to rebuild a relationship in the heat of battle than it is to build a military.
I know why we disagree, and the underlying belief systems we are both using to arrive at our opinions, but what I don't understand is why you're so quick to believe "Trump is a clown" with these kinds of news stories. Just let them develop. Don't jump to conclusions when you don't have all the facts.
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