And to a terrible Salvadorean prison?
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Innocent User — 11 months ago(April 15, 2025 11:08 AM)
Yes, I think so. Every single time there's a news story about Trump you're on the side that says he's wrong/stupid/evil/corrupt etc.
Can you name a time you made a favorable judgement toward the guy? Or admit when you've made an unfavourable judgement and then been proven wrong?
This thread speaks for itself on the latest issue, once you watch the video in Lilith's post.
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Innocent User — 11 months ago(April 15, 2025 11:25 AM)
We each have blind spots where Trump is concerned. More than happy to admit mine. I see a story "Trump is a clown" and I think there has to be more to it because he's not stupid. I dig around, and if I can't find published information that explains his actions I dig deeper and try to build a narrative that makes sense from bits of information and my own understanding of geopolitics.
Take the tariffs discussion. Nothing of what I said is established fact, it was all speculation, but I admit that, and did so at the time. It looks likely that I'll be made a fool of too, because he seems to be backing down all over the place, and ****ing up the plan I figured he was pursuing.
I think you do the opposite. You see a "Trump is a clown" story and you just regurgitate what the news channels of your choice tell you to think. I know you're a highly intelligent man, and I wouldn't want to go up against you in some sort of Mastermind competition, but it makes me wince seeing you make a kneejerk reaction to some of the crap that gets passed around by mainstream media.
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Corwin — 11 months ago(April 15, 2025 11:42 AM)
Alternate theory: I came around to free trade, through reading and discussion, when NAFTA was being argued for my country. And let me tell you, there were reasonable people who opposed it from reasonable perspectives. In the end, I was convinced more by the benefits, and the intervening decades have only given me more evidence that free trade has more benefits than drawbacks. So my perspective hasn't changed.
And on everything else, I believe in the rule of law and checks and balances. This story seems a bit of a departure from that.
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Innocent User — 11 months ago(April 15, 2025 12:30 PM)
I agree free trade has more benefits than drawbacks. In times of peace. Trump is clearly torn between what he knows must be done, what he knows he cannot say out loud, and what the short-term thinking markets demand.
When you have to build the machinery of war during fighting, maintain it, replace it, and upgrade it, you need your own manufacturing capabilities, and you need them to be able to deliver at scale. I don't think most people understand this simple truth. Even Russia, with its Lend Lease boost, still needed every factory it could find to build tanks and planes to fight the Nazis.
Who will Lend Lease to the US if war breaks out?
Trump is being pressured into returning to short term thinking, so we'll never get to see the end results. That keeps me awake at night, because we're growing weaker every day, while our enemies grow stronger.
And on everything else, I believe in the rule of law and checks and balances.
I know. I believe laws need to make sense, morally, and also that the law is an ass. So, I'm happier to take each issue on its merits and question whether the law is being used with the best intentions, or whether it's being used to undermine security, democracy, the economy, or culture.
And last I think that you are simply wrong that antagonizing allies makes the US stronger.
If those allies aren't meeting their obligations, militarily, why do they matter? They won't be there for America when needed unless pushed to stand on their own two feet. It's easier to rebuild a relationship in the heat of battle than it is to build a military.
I know why we disagree, and the underlying belief systems we are both using to arrive at our opinions, but what I don't understand is why you're so quick to believe "Trump is a clown" with these kinds of news stories. Just let them develop. Don't jump to conclusions when you don't have all the facts.
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Innocent User — 11 months ago(April 15, 2025 11:30 PM)
/.ㅤ said...
He's been angry today, probably because I made fun of his bald head earlier.
Did you? I didn't see that. Now I'll be even angrier.
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Innocent User — 11 months ago(April 15, 2025 11:28 PM)
We are. You asked a question, I answered it.
Your previous post makes no sense. I made it clear I appreciate we have very different views on Trump.
I'm still wondering why you won't admit you made a mistake in buying the media narrative on the El Salvador issue though.
A good discussion requires honesty and integrity. You have refused to acknowledge the video, still. That's bad form, buddy. So, before you start accusing me of anything, why don't you do that?
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/.ㅤ — 11 months ago(April 15, 2025 11:34 PM)
Innocent User said...
We are. You asked a question, I answered it.
Your previous post makes no sense. I made it clear I appreciate we have very different views on Trump.
I'm still wondering why you won't admit you made a mistake in buying the media narrative on the El Salvador issue though.
A good discussion requires honesty and integrity. You have refused to acknowledge the video, still. That's bad form, buddy. So, before you start accusing me of anything, why don't you do that?
That video's source is Fox News, acknowledged as being horsepoo.
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Innocent User — 11 months ago(April 15, 2025 11:36 PM)
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That video's source is Fox News, acknowledged as being horsepoo.
It shouldn't matter if it was Chinese TV, it's inside the White House with a room full of cabinet officials and journalists asking questions.
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Corwin — 11 months ago(April 15, 2025 11:49 PM)
Innocent User said...
We are. You asked a question, I answered it.
Your previous post makes no sense. I made it clear I appreciate we have very different views on Trump.
I'm still wondering why you won't admit you made a mistake in buying the media narrative on the El Salvador issue though.
A good discussion requires honesty and integrity. You have refused to acknowledge the video, still. That's bad form, buddy. So, before you start accusing me of anything, why don't you do that?
Yech, I just watched the video. 6 minutes 47 seconds I will never get back.
It certainly laid out the position of the Trump administration: the guy's MS-13, he's Salvadorean, the President sets foreign (and immigration) policy, not the courts.
For me, it doesn't put to bed what are concerns about due process in this case or more broadly the role of the courts to check executive powers when mistakes, or even instances of overreach, are made. -
Innocent User — 11 months ago(April 16, 2025 12:23 AM)
Corwin said...
Yech, I just watched the video. 6 minutes 47 seconds I will never get back.
It certainly laid out the position of the Trump administration: the guy's MS-13, he's Salvadorean, the President sets foreign (and immigration) policy, not the courts.
For me, it doesn't put to bed what are concerns about due process in this case or more broadly the role of the courts to check executive powers when mistakes, or even instances of overreach, are made.
OK.
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Corwin — 11 months ago(April 16, 2025 12:02 AM)
Innocent User said...
We are. You asked a question, I answered it.
Your previous post makes no sense. I made it clear I appreciate we have very different views on Trump.
I'm still wondering why you won't admit you made a mistake in buying the media narrative on the El Salvador issue though.
A good discussion requires honesty and integrity. You have refused to acknowledge the video, still. That's bad form, buddy. So, before you start accusing me of anything, why don't you do that?
My turn. The latest from the NYT. Looks like the Supreme Court ordered him returned:
A federal judge scolded the Trump administration on Tuesday for dragging its feet in complying with a Supreme Court order that directed the White House to “facilitate” the release of a Maryland man who was wrongly deported to a prison in El Salvador last month.
“To date nothing has been done,” the judge, Paula Xinis, told a lawyer for the Justice Department. “Nothing.”
The stern words came during a hearing in Federal District Court in Maryland, where Judge Xinis said that she intended to force Trump officials to answer questions — both in writing and in depositions — about what they had done so far to get the man, Kilmar Armando Abrego Garcia, out of the prison.
Noting that every passing day was another that Mr. Abrego Garcia, a 29-year-old father of three, suffered harm in Salvadoran custody, the judge set up a fast schedule for officials to provide documents and sit for depositions.
“We’re going to move,” she said. “There will be no tolerance for gamesmanship or grandstanding.”
The hearing came only one day after President Trump said at an Oval Office news conference that he was powerless in seeking Mr. Abrego Garcia’s freedom. El Salvador’s president, Nayib Bukele, sitting beside Mr. Trump, said he had no intention of releasing the man.
The case of Mr. Abrego Garcia, a sheet metal worker the Trump administration accused of being a member of the violent street gang MS-13, has emerged in recent days as yet another flashpoint in Mr. Trump’s aggressive plans to deport immigrants the government has deemed to be criminals, even if there is little evidence to support its claims.
It has also become the latest test of the White House’s willingness to defy court orders and potentially shatter the traditional, but increasingly fragile, balance of power between the executive and judicial branches.
Three courts, including the Supreme Court, have now ruled that the White House is required to take at least some steps toward freeing Mr. Abrego Garcia from a notorious Salvadoran prison, known as CECOT, where he was sent with scores of other migrants on March 15 -
Innocent User — 11 months ago(April 16, 2025 12:23 AM)
Corwin said...
My turn. The latest from the NYT. Looks like the Supreme Court ordered him returned:
A federal judge scolded the Trump administration on Tuesday for dragging its feet in complying with a Supreme Court order that directed the White House to “facilitate” the release of a Maryland man who was wrongly deported to a prison in El Salvador last month.
“To date nothing has been done,” the judge, Paula Xinis, told a lawyer for the Justice Department. “Nothing.”
The stern words came during a hearing in Federal District Court in Maryland, where Judge Xinis said that she intended to force Trump officials to answer questions — both in writing and in depositions — about what they had done so far to get the man, Kilmar Armando Abrego Garcia, out of the prison.
Noting that every passing day was another that Mr. Abrego Garcia, a 29-year-old father of three, suffered harm in Salvadoran custody, the judge set up a fast schedule for officials to provide documents and sit for depositions.
“We’re going to move,” she said. “There will be no tolerance for gamesmanship or grandstanding.”
The hearing came only one day after President Trump said at an Oval Office news conference that he was powerless in seeking Mr. Abrego Garcia’s freedom. El Salvador’s president, Nayib Bukele, sitting beside Mr. Trump, said he had no intention of releasing the man.
The case of Mr. Abrego Garcia, a sheet metal worker the Trump administration accused of being a member of the violent street gang MS-13, has emerged in recent days as yet another flashpoint in Mr. Trump’s aggressive plans to deport immigrants the government has deemed to be criminals, even if there is little evidence to support its claims.
It has also become the latest test of the White House’s willingness to defy court orders and potentially shatter the traditional, but increasingly fragile, balance of power between the executive and judicial branches.
Three courts, including the Supreme Court, have now ruled that the White House is required to take at least some steps toward freeing Mr. Abrego Garcia from a notorious Salvadoran prison, known as CECOT, where he was sent with scores of other migrants on March 15
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That's addressed in the video.
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Innocent User — 11 months ago(April 16, 2025 12:28 AM)
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corwin seems to enjoy ignoring facts that are inconvenient for him
It's the route to leftism.
Shame to see him behaving like this.
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